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Alright y'all, we have 5 days to warn Lister about/expose Lister's port for being open source-infrighting, since Polyzium won't be avaiable for a long time after those 5 days.
Frax314 added Ristovski to the group. 12/10/2020 2:35 PM
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It is most likely that he's been bullshitting about the "emulation" thing (to avoid licensing issues)
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And he's frankensteining GZ and Zandronum together
Frax314 added HeliosDrive to the group. 12/10/2020 2:39 PM
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So lemme present everyone to everyone: Kensuke21, a good guy who I know we can trust, Romero's B!tch who is an outsider from anything Complex Doom we can trust, and iSpook, developer of Project Complexity and thus more or less directly involved in this bullshit saga
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Plus Polyzium and his friend Ristovski
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Ristovski, a buddy of mine who's into reverse engineering, which is the ultimate strike to Lister
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HeliosDrive 12/10/2020 2:42 PM
Evening gents
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If Lister doesn't lay to evidence that his port is not legit to sell, we'll get Ristovski's help
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But our first course of action rn is in the first message
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Use/create your alt accounts
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Well only polyzium really needs one for now. Maybe me too but I already do have a few (edited)
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polyzium
It is most likely that he's been bullshitting about the "emulation" thing (to avoid licensing issues)
What sort of emulation though?
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Ristovski
What sort of emulation though?
He claims he rewrote Doom from scratch while still making it compatible
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He refuses to discuss this further
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You can smell the bs from a mile 'way
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Yeah, that would be way too much work imo. Does anyone know how proficient he is in actual development? I mean I guess he could rewrite parts/obfuscate the code enough to make it look like it's not the original one, but I doubt that as well
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Ristovski
Yeah, that would be way too much work imo. Does anyone know how proficient he is in actual development? I mean I guess he could rewrite parts/obfuscate the code enough to make it look like it's not the original one, but I doubt that as well
We have no direct knowledge of programming expertise, but he is an impressive modder in Zandronum's limitations and forked Zandronum to fix some desyncs in it
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Mhm, I see.
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We're pretty much in the dark regarding how much he's lying and how much he's telling the truth regarding his port
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But I can assure you all it's real and very much an advancement over GZDoom and Zandronum regardless of mini-features
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Guess we will find out once it gets released
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If it gets released.
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Since right now we're gonna try stopping its development in the first place
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But knowing Li$ter, it's a coin flip
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Yeah, hopefully it doesn't see the light of day lol
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Best case scenario of this measure is him choosing to release it for free and just for the fame of it however
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But that won't happen, considering the man's pettiness
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Look at this boastful asshole, this is who we're trying to topple
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uh...
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Ugly shit ikr (edited)
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If that's the case, then why not just leave him do his shit and then wait for others to ruin him for life? (edited)
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Because there's a good chance no one else that could do it, will.
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Because stuff will go exactly as planned by him, imo
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HeliosDrive 12/11/2020 2:26 PM
Honestly, anyone who uses Butthead in their profile pic are throwing up immediate red flags
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Even if the Doom community will boycott Listeronum, there will still be the sheer fact of its existance and pricing
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So it must be either stopped, leaked, or forced to be free and open source (edited)
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Mark's method for his game is good though
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Pirate Bay release yeah
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Steam and Pirate Bay
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Super Meat Boy style
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But the problem is
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This isn't a full game
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It's a source port
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You make a patreon for this shit at most
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if you mean for the thing we try to stop, yes But in Mark's case, don't think so
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Yes I mean for Listeronum
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That and a good majority of the code he's using isn't his, which makes what he's doing quite illegal. You COULD probably send Bethesda a letter about what's going on when its released, because they own Zenimax, who owns ID.
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Yes, it likely breaks open source rules
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Well that and he's trying to sell something based on their code, which is a huge no-no.
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Also... there is another thing I must inform y'all of. Hold on a second.
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iSpookulon
That and a good majority of the code he's using isn't his, which makes what he's doing quite illegal. You COULD probably send Bethesda a letter about what's going on when its released, because they own Zenimax, who owns ID.
HeliosDrive 12/11/2020 2:34 PM
Other way around. Bethesda and Id are both subsidiaries of Zenimax
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Which itself is now owned by Microsoft
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Oh.
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just report him to id and Beth and shit's done lmao
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Well close enough.
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It will be... Besides i am thinking about making Li$TeRonum official port I called to Microsoft not many days ago,which are owners of Zebimax,which are owners of Bethesda
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Be afraid.
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Be very afraid.
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Zebimax
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Also, Zenimax can't do shit about this
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Listeronum is effectively inattackable copyright-wise
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Only open source can save us
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🤔 I... am doubtful
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Emulators and ports can be sold
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See Delta Touch
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Quad Touch
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Etc
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3dSenVR for a non-mobile example...
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We are fucked unless Polyzium finds a correct caveat aganist it
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Also his sub goals are also troublesome because depending on what mod the perosn is playing, he's charging money for things with stuff in them that doesn't belong to him (example: if someone is playing ZDW)
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HeliosDrive 12/11/2020 2:44 PM
Aye
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It's some twisted form of reverse price-gouging
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Yep.
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HeliosDrive 12/11/2020 2:45 PM
Increasing competitor prices to drive consumers towards your own cheaper product
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There's probably an actual title for this, though "reverse-price gouging" is the closest I could come up with
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See here is the thing
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There are three lists
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A whitelist, the mods you can play normally without sub
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All other wads that require a single sub, therefore it only being unlocking a feature
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tell Graf about this and watch Hell unleashed
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And a blacklist, and each mod of the blacklist has to be bought with a ridiculous sub (CF, PC etc.)
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Oh so PC's on that lst already. 🤔
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And he will definitely take THOSE subs down if asked to...
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Ask him how he's gonna track the mod stuff.
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I'd be fully willing to try and subvert that shit.
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Content-based
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Will he answer what content specifically.
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iSpookulon
Will he answer what content specifically.
Probably not, he'd just say it's a "surprise".
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But I can make an educated guess that it'll check for specific actor names, GLDefs, MAPINFO, and if it find 2 or more instances of "suspect" stuff it will trigger
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And filenames as first recursion, likely
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I doubt he will fuck up this one thing
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KENSUKE21
tell Graf about this and watch Hell unleashed
We are not telling Graf, ever
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For any reason
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It would be some mass hysteria fuel
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If Polyzium gets Listeronum to be open source, everything will play out as it should and Lister may eventually get canceled and the port forked by less... emotional people (edited)
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lmao, what an asshole
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Yep.
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Hi guys
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Im in the miliyary
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Military
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Welp.
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Smartphones have been confiscated from us
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I found a guywith one
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Im alive and doing well
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Let people know
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Damn, I'm sorry for you polyzium
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Indeed.
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Guess we have no current options regarding the thing until it releases, either.
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Welp time to endure those meanasses again
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Fuck this
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I'm telling Li$ter how stuff is right now
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Wut?
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That he can't sell the port
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By GPL 2 license
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I don't think I will be able to convince him
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But this sword of Damocles will be heavy on him
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And we may strike later if he refuses this truth
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Of course, asshole thinks he won't be affected by it
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Ace Attorney Li$ter breakdown #1
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ZDF has us covered
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They will figure it out in a sec
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And they will strike it somehow
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We made some progress because now he cannot say "I did not know"
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Nice and tasty compromising evidence™️
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Yeah that's all I got
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Is it that hard to understand?
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Aside from: Contact Zenimax, contact Graf, contact Mifu, give them all notices and give them copies.
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No, it's just what else is there to say? Lister's being a fucking moron Right now.
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iSpookulon
Aside from: Contact Zenimax, contact Graf, contact Mifu, give them all notices and give them copies.
1. Zenimax can't do shit. Listeronum does not infright copyright, only open source. 2. WE ARE NOT CONTACTING GRAF. IT COULD SPELL DISASTER. 3. Inviting Mifu here could help, but... later I guess. 4. It has DRM. We just can't give copies to anyone except Ristovski. 5. Yep, Lister is being a fucking moron right now.
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I love how Lister could have the whole Doom world in his hands but his pettiness and hubris will fell him.
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YOU KINDA HAVE TO CONTACT GRAF, IF HE'S USING GZDOOM CODE IT'S KIND OF GRAF'S SHIT HE'S YOINKIN'
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iSpookulon
YOU KINDA HAVE TO CONTACT GRAF, IF HE'S USING GZDOOM CODE IT'S KIND OF GRAF'S SHIT HE'S YOINKIN'
If we told Graf, he'd go and tell ZDF it's an hoax and a scam, which it isn't.
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🤔 I mean fair.
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He is too much of a chicken. A public post in ZDF detailing everything would be much better.
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But that's to be if Lister ostracizes me in any way.
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Hm.
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Or if we realize it's the best course of action
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Also, iSpook, in the latter case
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I obviously can't write it myself
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I've seen Li$ter is damn good at identifying written stuff
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And I don't wanna risk for sure
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We'll have to think about this
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I surely do not want to send you for obvious reasons
Frax314 added Fluffy to the group. 12/15/2020 3:08 PM
Frax314 added shotfan to the group. 12/15/2020 3:08 PM
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Following a notice from polyzium in HM's Discord server, I gotta add those two :P
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Hello.
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I see some people from Project Brutality server. (edited)
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I got Kensuke on board cuz I trust him
Frax314 added Raov to the group. 12/15/2020 3:10 PM
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Also the informer himself
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Oh its Raov, hi
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the only guy who got contact to poly btw
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he in da army (edited)
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and hi ristovski
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Polyzium left us a note and in HM Discord too, but he didn't mention Li$ter at all then
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So yeah new ones read the message history if you will
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For details™️
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okay did a quick readup
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are there any binaries of the port? (edited)
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might be able to decompile and try comparing with open source code
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It is still not released
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Early 2021 is the planned release period
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just say something on twitter and he'll get cancelled
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that's how things work right?
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not in foss world
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basically nobody is gonna pick it up i bet
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unless by some miracle elon or someone huge in that area picks it up
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KENSUKE21
just say something on twitter and he'll get cancelled
If that worked
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No one would be playing Brutal Doom in 2020 :P
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exactly
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Canceling is a messier process than it seems (edited)
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we got a very small userbase to be even half worth it
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Especially in a weirdly-shaped community like Doom's
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tell Putin about his plan No one can do anything without the President's permission
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Kekw
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Also
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We, like, BARELY managed to avoid detection in HM Discord. Li$ter has a drone account in it, which is also shared by others of his
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It's basically a real spy organization
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did you mention about the whole thing?
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just don't talk
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talk about HM stuff
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or memes
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or how HUGO FUCKED UP ETERNAL FFS
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We wiped out the talk
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It was up for 15 minutes or so
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HUGO FUCKED UP ETERNAL FFS ???
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But it was pretty damn... explicit, if you get what I mean, HM Discord is usually a neutral zone so to speak
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shotfan
HUGO FUCKED UP ETERNAL FFS ???
some levels have monster replacements
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shotfan
It was up for 15 minutes or so
might be enough if he has a logger and was online on that acc
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Bit of a far away joke Kensuke
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tho this about spies and everything
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Raov
might be enough if he has a logger and was online on that acc
Also, I could've not been online at this time
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sounds like it's from some spy movie or even a mafia movie
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or irl mafia stuff
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have monster replacements Did he fuck up the Prowler perchance?
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shotfan
have monster replacements Did he fuck up the Prowler perchance?
The Holt's Slayer gate starts with 3 archviles now
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Which means... welp, it would've at least gone on Lister's cringe compilation/metaphorical hitlist
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and a possessed marauder
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@KENSUKE21 I believe that everyone in Russia has ties to mafia
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Kek Mafioso Polyzium
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Lister's cringe compilation/metaphorical hitlist I am sooooo scared
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Honestly the LSD community is a bit of a mafia
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In a small sense
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ask Lister if he likes Russian Lolita If he says yes, run Run very fast
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He can rage at me in Cyrillic for all I care... I do not know Russian anyway 😄
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tmw I know Russian
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and i can fight back
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лол удачи
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I meant Lister of course lol
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tho I can read only
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I have long forgotten how 2 speak and write
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shotfan
Lister's cringe compilation/metaphorical hitlist I am sooooo scared
Those who appear there are forbidden to buy his port, and he'd have questioned me since I always billed HM Discord as a place far away from the CD drama
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I can try to figure out something by hearing, but written Russian is in that alien script and we are using text communication around here, so
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Polish are chad slavs
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stronk
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Remove kebab.
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When we are not busy drinking ourselves to death, yes
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lmao
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This thread got alt-right fast
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Eat kebab
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Nah. I'm not alt-right. I just meme.
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IT WAS A PRANK BRO
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eat shawarma (edited)
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actually good
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seaworms?
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meat with some vegetables and sauce rolled up in pita (edited)
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Also
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Honestly only thing we have to fear is that anyone of Lister's gets to know there even is an effort aganist the port, even if we fail entirely it would just be destiny at that point
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shotfan
Lister's cringe compilation/metaphorical hitlist I am sooooo scared
Oh look, time for me to try and hop onto this list. :V
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so we just try not to get caught
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metaphorical hitlist
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i cant
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lmao
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iSpookulon
Oh look, time for me to try and hop onto this list. :V
5 posts in a row have your quotes
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Kek
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can't you report his Server for some shady shit?
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Nope
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or that won't solve anything?
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damn
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I mean
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I did
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I did report them to Discord
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But... nothin'.
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I described it in detail
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The situation, the people
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Uploading LSD sourceport whilst high on LSD on LSD website for LSD fans to pay for LSD
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lsdception
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tell them they have children
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Hey Frax-Bax.
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Question.
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Since you're a spy and close to L1st3r the S1st3r-F1st3r: (edited)
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Yea?
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A while ago a group decided to fuck with both Nash's and Admiral's discords. With Nash's they spammed racist shit and gore pictures. Was LSF involved with this?
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the maker of Nashgore?
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Yeah
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I see no reason they would even know Nash
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A group hit that discord
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Since they don't hang around ZDF
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It didn't really bother me... except one picture
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They do have a beef aganist Admeral though
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One picture of some guy without a face, which made me feel like that it was ACTUALLY cursed.
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do you have the photo in question?
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oh jesus
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No
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d o n t
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fuck
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That happened in the thinker station as well
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wanted to see it
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KENSUKE21
wanted to see it
Y THO
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I wouldn't save it because it actually made me feel uncomfortable
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was it CGI face?
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And saw that exact same face lol
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Then lost my goddam appetite
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It made ME, someone who spent their childhood and teen years looking at images of real gore, uncomfortable.
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Slenderman?
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No
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oh OH Was it the guy that lost his face cause of mold?
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cause he lost his face cause of it
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It was an image of a REAL human face, it looked like it was removed via injury.
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Tell me, were the attacks on Admeral and Nash synced?
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either he or someone else
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Yes, yes it was.
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iSpookulon
It made ME, someone who spent their childhood and teen years looking at images of real gore, uncomfortable.
bruh
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Look. It was the early days of the net, I didn't know any better.
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Regardless
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Btw, anyone know who kev#7284 is? (edited)
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I do not.
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Lister at least claims to be as in the dark as us regarding the various raids
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synced attacks however is sus
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can confirm
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Because his goons do it
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Not him
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it was drones bro
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There's still a chance it could be some other group
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I am a paragon of peace
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Again I don't know about Admeral's but Nash? Makes no sense
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Yeah IDK I was just curious.
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Lister is rather active in the Brutal Doom Schism channel.
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But it's odd that the Tinker Station got hit first with those images, then Nash and Admeral later
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blyat
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I cannot read the shit he writes in Cryillic, you can go there and monitor if you are inclined for that.
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Tinker Station is the server for Lexicon, Afina and Invuled
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shotfan
I am a paragon of peace
It'd be odd if he lied to me after other stuff he gave me
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literally learning all the shit that has happened through yall, im barely even involved in doom
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imagine Lister losing this war And it happens during winter
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shotfan
I cannot read the shit he writes in Cryillic, you can go there and monitor if you are inclined for that.
you can send me whatever he writes i can translate
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shotfan
I cannot read the shit he writes in Cryillic, you can go there and monitor if you are inclined for that.
It's just him gloating about how he has the moral high ground on Clusterfuck and yada yada
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KENSUKE21
imagine Lister losing this war And it happens during winter
Irony
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Russia defeated during winter
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Seems about the same as the English posts he makes there.
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russian defeating a russian
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Mafia rebels with a dream defeat a Blyatman that wants to abuse source ports
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I remember being in both Schism and Ali's hub.
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He was also butthurt when somebody mentioned community drama in the description of Complex Doom on TV Tropes.
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Then I saw L1st3r in both.
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He literally posted on the server and demanded an answer to who did the edit.
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Nobody answered because, who the fuck even cares?
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I'm just happy Complexity was on the article.
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was the edit funny?
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cause if it's a funny
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it's a funni
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Straight-faced.
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But funny in context, yes. XD
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he got anger cause of a funni
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L1st3r is just mad because no one will play LSD because of it's stigma.
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in order to win we must embrace обезьяну
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all I do is Smooth Doom or Chocolate Doom
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got bored of mods
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iSpookulon
I remember being in both Schism and Ali's hub.
Yeah he is getting as many ModDBlets on his side as he can (edited)
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🤔 As if that'll help. (edited)
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KENSUKE21
in order to win we must embrace обезьяну
embrace обезьяну (embrace monke) reject модернизм (reject modernity) (edited)
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да
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And I mean of the type who when seeing Hunter's Moon ask for monster pack
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we are monke
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Also, I gotta tell y'all a secret...
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Can you guys throw english translations in () after your Russian? IDFL google translating it.
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I made the Complex Doom article. Just to piss Lister & Eagle off.
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ok
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да (yes)
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Thanks.
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no worries
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Then I blatantly lied to Lister I didn't make it courtesy of my TV Tropes account being Dylan Dog themed
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Kek
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lmao
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I sensed something
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Giuda Ballerino !!!! Madlad (edited)
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Ha, who else would spend time and effort on a trope article on a Doom mod
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Marx
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I am gonna polish it later
🇵🇱 3
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Groucho Marx
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I made it simply because there is no written immortalization of Complex Doom anywhere else on the net
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That's why I made both a Main and Awesome page
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Awesome page?
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TV Tropes articles have more than one page
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And I also made one for the awesome moments
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Because Complex Doom wasn't all gloom, we had good times in it as well in the end...
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Link the awesome moments, please.
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https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Awesome/ComplexDoom More than a bit spartan and cringe rn, though.
A page for describing Awesome: Complex Doom. Killing your first Legendary, ever or in a single run, is a great feeling. Doubly so if you did it without …
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Will be better in the long run
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Honestly idk HOW Li$ter got to it, I doubt any of those gorillas read TV Tropes daily
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But as I had hoped he did
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HeliosDrive 12/15/2020 4:29 PM
Just wanted to mention something about that Awesome page
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Don't forget about TVT's policy on Zero-Context examples
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A Zero-Context Example is an example that fails to do the most important thing an example should do: explain how and why it fits the trope. All examples …
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Awesome moments count as examples? Admittedly I did not research much for them.
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HeliosDrive 12/15/2020 4:31 PM
While this moreso applies to trope examples than entries on the YMMV subpages, its best if you can still provide context as to why something is awesome than just stating it is on its own.
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I.e.
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Saying "Killing your first Legendary, ever or in a single run, is a great feeling." is fine
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Though it'd read a lot nicer if you went into greater depth as to why its a great feeling
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I'll ask you when I'll be polishin' it up then
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HeliosDrive 12/15/2020 4:34 PM
Also, probably worth beefing up the header description on the main Complex Doom article, such as going a bit into the mod's history and providing an overview for the changes it applies to Doom
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^
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Definitely.
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Bad news
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huh? (edited)
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Uh?
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What did you do.
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Me? Nothing. But Lister might try to start a hype campaign for his port shortly before its release, which is bad -- we cannot do anything in that moment.
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Hmm
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Well fuck.
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how much time we got?
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You'll have to fasten your seatbelts, cuz it will be one hell of a ride if he gets into ModDB's front pages
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Well. You guys can't do anything. I can't really do anything anyways. (edited)
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Assume March for now, probably the safest to assume
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relayed to poly (edited)
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The problem here is that many people will be seeing it in action before release, which means they might just buy
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And we'll have to act quicker and louder
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Which we will only be able to do after release
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Worse yet, ZDF may throw a collective fit (edited)
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Which means trouble, lots of trouble
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Worst case scenario they might not even accept a leaked port. (edited)
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Frax314
Worst case scenario they might not even accept a leaked port. (edited)
HeliosDrive 12/18/2020 1:56 PM
A leak of a port that one would otherwise need an exorbitant amount of money to use otherwise? Who on Earth would turn that down.
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Yknow, tainted by the sins of its fathers and whatnot. ZDF is immature enough :P
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I mean they will boycott any form of Listeronum
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Regardless of how it gets leaked forked etc
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...
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I mean.
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Which is possible, but hey, just worst case scenario
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It's not immature to boycott shit involving a known doxxer and raider.
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But it is if said shit was turned for good.
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And mantained by more responsible fellows.
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I mean. Fair
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With that out of the way
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What's sure, at least from my POV is that Graf will someway obstruct or hate the leaked port's possible success at least to some extent
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I hope not at all, but I do have this feel
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Considering he's been the KOTH of Doom modding so far
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And this would come from absolutely nowhere
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from poly: "fucking ridiculous.He treats his sourceport as a product"
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Yep.
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What is the problem with the promotional campaign?
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How does that change anything?
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HeliosDrive 12/18/2020 4:12 PM
If anything, depending on whether he proudly advertises the price or not, it could potentially cause things to go pretty bad for him
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Yeah, that is what I would first.
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More noise for him actually means more trouble.
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HeliosDrive 12/18/2020 4:13 PM
Either he hides the price and people lambast him for springing the paywall from out of nowhere. (edited)
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Apparently he is really that dense to think he can get away with selling a sourceport.
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(*what I would think first)
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HeliosDrive 12/18/2020 4:14 PM
Or, he proudly flaunts the exorbitant prices without a hint of self awareness, prompting the following mass reaction from the community:
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Yup, I predict the second timeline 😄
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You understimate the denseness of ModDB
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Then we need to bring a rock drill XD
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HeliosDrive 12/18/2020 4:30 PM
I mean, this is a paid source port that's doing some seriously underhanded tactics like price gouging
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One can only be so dense until they have to be legally declared brain-dead (edited)
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By the way @HeliosDrive
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We'll see
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Is the PDA project for Project Brutality still in development?
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HeliosDrive 12/18/2020 4:45 PM
I believe so
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You can still comment-edit it so long as you've got the link to it.
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I see, thanks for the news.
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BREAKING NEWS
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Anime Punk, one of Lister's, once raided the Secreta Lounge
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But why
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Because Dusted is a member there.
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Or so I suspect
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God
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Got the news from Bulalo in QCDE Discord, PMd him for details
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Does L1st3r not know that Dusted doesn't work on CF anymore?
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He is supremely petty
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As I said
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He will continue even after all is supposedly done and finished
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Wowie.
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Let me get something from Dusted
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And besides, Anime Punk is an actual member of his Discord
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And he may have acted on his own
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Considering they're such drones
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Ah.
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Yes, I heard Dusted is walking off everything Complex for good.
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It's a one sided siege.
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Yep.
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Honestly he should focus his efforts more on me than dusted.
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Well, apart from open snark, you haven't slighted him nearly as much
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From his POV
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Also, this new fact sheds light a little on a detail: his drones might effectively go out of their way to raid servers
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Whenever I get the sprites for the new RL, I'm remaking his stupidAF nuke launcher.
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iSpookulon
Whenever I get the sprites for the new RL, I'm remaking his stupidAF nuke launcher.
Ery nice.
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Alright so what do I do Do I keep Bulalo in the dark or let him in?
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🤔
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Gradually question him until you figure out whether he's chill or not.
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Oh chill he is Just... we already have 3 neutral outsiders
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I mean. I can step out if you want him. It's fine.
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Bruh don't ya dare I need you for knowledge cuz I saw too much from LSD and too little from CF + I need info from PC Discord at all times, if it gets raided or anything
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Ah fuck it the more people the merrier, shouldn't it be?
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Yeah.
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Tellin' him
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There he is
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 12:26 PM
No wait I don't want to go to BraziL AGGGGGGGGGH
Raov changed the channel name: brazil 12/19/2020 12:27 PM
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welcome to brazil
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 12:27 PM
Shotfan and Romero's Bitch are here too?
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Yeah.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 12:27 PM
And that guy I met in the Secreta Lounge but apparently left?
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I meant @iSpookulon
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Lol. Make yerself comfortable, I gotta go offline. Don't do funny stuff
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From polyzium: "wtf,these guys have gone TOO far.What a desperate attempt to "outshine" other work.Fuck these guys."
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I wasn't vibing with certain things Secreta was representing so I left.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 12:28 PM
oof moment
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Well glad this isn't a straight up Discord server because I have about 10000 already
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Does L1st3r not know that Dusted doesn't work on CF anymore?
Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 12:29 PM
huh...
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Kinda wish it was for the simple fact that I can't edit notification sounds without turning them off entirely. 🤔
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Yeah.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 12:29 PM
well
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Dusted left CF behind after he made that "End of Clusterfuck" video.
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Then I came back around with Complexity 2.0
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 12:30 PM
glad he did. It prevented any more drama to... oh wait remembers Anime Punk raiding Secreta right...
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Yeah.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 12:32 PM
How large is this LSD gang Frax talked about?
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I don't have exact numbers. I just know they're invasiveAF
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 12:32 PM
Like, large enough that they have members all over the official Doom, Spicy Demons, Secreta, EOA, D3ath's Mod Network, HDest, and QCDE Discords? (edited)
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Wait, they're in HDest too?
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 12:33 PM
no I mean like
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Is it possible that Lister's gang lurks about in all those mentioned Discords?
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Probably, yeah.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 12:34 PM
And if someone slips a sliver of info you guys would be fucked?
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They're also in Ali's server (Hellrider guy) and Schism's server too.
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And Yeah.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 12:34 PM
goddamn
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Have all of you just been flamed from the CD Discord?
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CD discord?
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 12:35 PM
I mean
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CD community
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Oh.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 12:36 PM
This is some dark web shit About a sourceport for grandpa's shooter game
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Yeah, it's some petty-crazy shit.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 12:37 PM
I refuse to believe most competent modders and dignified Doomers would shill 20-30$ for a sourceport
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But... I guess if it's perfect then...
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Anyone would shill for it
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I doubt it's perfect
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 12:39 PM
But it will be advanced
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If he could make actor logic to optimize Nuts, then we'd all be fucked
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I've heard Zscript might be involved, which is really making me doubt, in all honesty.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 12:40 PM
hmm
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ZScript... forked from Zandronum...
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That's pretty crazy
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Yep.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 12:42 PM
Have any of you even tried the thing yet?
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It's not out, and honestly I'm saving my money for a place to stay
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 12:49 PM
ah
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Do uh... all of you happen to be European
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I'm American.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 12:49 PM
oh
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I think I'm the only Asian here
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The rest of the guys sound really Slavic/Russian
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And Frax is an Italian
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why did i just think of saying oui oui baguette like hes french or smth
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.... Ha
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 12:53 PM
lel
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup
How large is this LSD gang Frax talked about?
140 members on their Discord.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup
ZScript... forked from Zandronum...
Forked from GZDoom with new netcode.
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Only instances of Zandronum is in the Zandro-specific and/or GZ-deprecated features
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Naturally, mods like ZMovement will desync still
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But anything that won't = fair game to be used in c/s netcode
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Which meeeeeeaaaaaans...
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Stuff like Project Complexity, Hideous Destructor and Hunter's Moon would get a free c/s netcode if we leak it
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup
This is some dark web shit About a sourceport for grandpa's shooter game
Yeeeeeeeeeeep.
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Pretty much.
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I swear it was less like this before
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Lister's getting haughty since his port reached a certain state
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I mean he was always a petty asshole
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But now? Gee
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 1:59 PM
Yowza
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If this little heist you guys are planning ever fails, I could only really see two outcomes: 1. Everyone will be moved (read: scammed) into playing this so called miracle sourceport and it hypnotizes everyone into trying it 2. Everyone laughs their ass off that someone tries to sell them a sourceport
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1 won't happen
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2... no one will be laughing about a good ass sourceport is behind a paywall (edited)
14:04
Which is why we're gonna try to force him to take it down by GPL 2 infrightment if the leak fails
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None will be happy if we fail the leak, not gonna lie to y'all
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Most we could do would be restore the status quo
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2... no one will be laughing about a good ass sourceport is behind a paywall (edited)
Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 2:07 PM
I meant at the prospect that some BRAINLET thought he could scoot on by and sell something that should be free But yeah feature wise most people would be pissed
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I... don't really care. But it is a great injustice to others that do that the supposed Holy Grail of Doom modding is locked behind some EA tomfuckery (edited)
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The price is ridiculous and scandalous, by the way.
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Not even going to post it for y'alls sanity.
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wait we know the price already?
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 2:09 PM
What's the non-LSD supporter proce anyways?
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yes LSD group only gets 5$ discount, what a cheapskate
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 2:10 PM
I could get Doom 2016 for that price
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But that's the base price
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 2:10 PM
I mean...
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i could get-
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bruh
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bruh
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There's MORE
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for fucking real?
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For fucking real.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 2:10 PM
Doom 2016 compared to a good-ass sourceport...
14:10
that could play a shitload of TCs and mods
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can i say the nword once
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I'm really only paying for it for the possibility of leak.
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No
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i dont got no other words than that lol
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 2:11 PM
I mean, that would be insane in a good way, if not for the fact that, you know... this shit's meant to be free
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literally
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 2:11 PM
So it's like if Doom 2016 was free but they made it paid
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who would pay $20 BASE
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for a sourceport
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Can one pin messages in a group chat?
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Maybe I should reveal the stupid prices
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Lemme write em down...
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 2:12 PM
HOLD ON
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PRICES???
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$20
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Yep.
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A
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S
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E
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 2:12 PM
FOR A SINGLE SOURCEPORT???
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and thats, again, base price (edited)
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this is actually bullshit
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 2:13 PM
Wait so there's more than the 20$ price tag??
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at least according to frax
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 2:13 PM
Bloody hell
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imma relay this shit to poly holy fuck
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 2:13 PM
What military is he drafted in btw?
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russian
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 2:13 PM
I'm not used to modern day drafts
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40km away from his hometown
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 2:14 PM
Russia must be a funky place
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That alone probably got me flagged by the KGB
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That got me flagged by the KGB twice
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knock knock knock KGB OPEN UP
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 2:14 PM
that got me flagged by them thrice
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Hey Raov your name sounds Slav too
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real name is ivan btw
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 2:15 PM
That's even more Slav
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Lmao
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Resnov--
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thats because
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i t b e l i k e t h a t
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 2:16 PM
Soviet Union anthem starts blaring
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What do the numbers mean--
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 2:16 PM
They mean "ur mom"
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Gottem
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Nou.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 2:16 PM
Dammit nOOOOOOOOOO explodes
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Ya Fuggin fillingless jelly donut
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Base sourceport that can run a whitelist of Lister's mod LSD and Project Brutality + Lister's favorite wads - 20$, 15$ for LSD community veterans. Ability to play most other mods - TBD (between 15$~25$) dollars a month. Ability to play blacklisted mods, that is, everything Lister hates like Project Complexity and CF: 25$ per blacklisted mod, a month.
Frax314 pinned a message to this channel. 12/19/2020 2:19 PM
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None will buy the full package, it's clear
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 2:19 PM
TWENTY FIVE FUCKING DOLLARS???
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horribly impersonates Serious Sam IT'S A RIPOFF
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I am only going to buy the fifteen buck base because if we reverse engineer we don't have to buy anything else anyway
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 2:21 PM
Hey Frax how again did you conclude that Anime Punk was there to raid the Secreta Lounge again?
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Because prior to when he posted all the anti-BLM nonsense he was pretty chill
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THE
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FUCK
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is this billing system
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 2:22 PM
Are you referring to your house or to the sourceport
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1. People have been PM'd with that kind of dungpost before, like ex-CF dev Mr. Satan
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 2:23 PM
But this was in the offtopic
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Changes little
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 2:23 PM
There wasn't really any indication that he was planning to raid
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Maybe Dusted already blocked Anime Punk
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And he wanted to send a message to his defenders any way
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 2:23 PM
Everyone just confronted him on his views on BLM because he was acting sus then he snapped
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Secreta Lounge moment
14:23
I see then...
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 2:24 PM
Prior to that nothing else seemed out of the ordinary
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But I believe Anime Punk was there because Dusted was there anyhow
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 2:24 PM
Minus that one time he barged into Marisa and Allie ending their relationship to talk about BW
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I mean tbf it shouldn't have been public but I digress
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k no more
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 2:24 PM
Ok
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I dun wanna hear about Secreta Lounge moments anymore aaaaaaaaaaa
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 2:25 PM
Hey I have a concern
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Also @Raov relay the prices to Polyz if you will, I had not told him yet
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yes i will
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 2:27 PM
Since the plan is to crack a product, wouldn't sueing someone be two-way? If you don't succeed in leaking the sourceport then you can sue them on violation of GPL 2, but if you do leak it then isn't it completely legal for Lister to sue you, Ristovski, and alibis (including more uninvolved but allied people like me and Romero's Bitch) on the grounds of theft? (edited)
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Lister doesn't have the balls or means to sue us
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it would be technically
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Besides we will only threaten legal action
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 2:28 PM
Wait you people have money for legal action?
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but license violation should have more weight
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still, an attorney would be nice here
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It will be an absolute last resort to sue them for real
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 2:28 PM
Or will we have to equip the AK-47s and threaten illegal action
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oh fuck yeah
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i am willing to do OSINT on lister btw (edited)
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 2:29 PM
(This is a joke do not actually-wait no stop what are you doing oh god oh fuck)
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Like lol Why should we trouble the courts for a fucking Doom sourceport thingy But I guess we could do that as the ultimate measure
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Also
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 2:30 PM
Imagine the leak fails, and we couldn't grab our hands on Lister Then a few days later someone else from the Doom community manages to crack it
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We will leak it under a pseudonym, naturally
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 2:31 PM
So we don't get sued?
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup
Imagine the leak fails, and we couldn't grab our hands on Lister Then a few days later someone else from the Doom community manages to crack it
I wouldn't even be mad kekw
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 2:31 PM
Kekw
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I want Lister to suspect the rest of the group but not me
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 2:32 PM
Ok cool I get to take the bullet
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So... Пустула
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 2:32 PM
I thought you weRe ITalIan
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Because they're 90% russians
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 2:33 PM
Oh that's the pseudonym?
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I was gonna have polyzium help me write in russian
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But typical butchered english with )s and )))s might work too
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yall got me doe
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 2:33 PM
I mean, if we're lucky enough America starts war with Russia that cripples their economy and infrastructure so yall may not even have to lay a finger
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Raov
yall got me doe
Ah right
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damn shaty
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You could help me too
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 2:34 PM
But that comes at the risk of losing the nice russian fellows
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And no one would want that right
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And of course uh
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i aint ready to die yet bruv
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 2:35 PM
Extreme war to prevent corrupt Doom sourceport practices to come about is probably more mental than the boomer shooter character named Mental
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This time the deathmatch is real
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 2:36 PM
Inb4 the British invade Italy and Germany because of force of habit
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"oop sorry force of habit"
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Kekw
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 2:37 PM
accidentally slaughters 80% of the population
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What happens to this group chat after you guys successfully leak/sue the sourceport?
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We stay, of course...?
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Пустула must stay alive :P
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 2:39 PM
Man I'm too young and too Asian to be part of a dark web group
14:39
And I assume you yeeted me into Brazil as insurance so my ass stays quiet
Sinigang the Philippine Soup started a call that lasted 0.13266666666666665 minutes 12/19/2020 2:39 PM
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 2:40 PM
My bad
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 2:40 PM
Meant to check pins
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What arrives in Brazil
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Stays in Brazil
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First rule of Brazil
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🔫
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prices relayed to poly
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 2:41 PM
Oh god there actually isn't a leave server button hELP
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took 3 messages
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Anyway do not fear much, we are not exposed to anything in any way
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 2:41 PM
Inb4 we are exposed to anything in any way
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Jahfhajfh
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when you Jahfhajfh
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Merely, we must all stay quiet about our involvment with the leaked port, and say we "just play on it cuz it's good'n'free".
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C A P I C H E
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🔫
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 2:43 PM
Although when the time does come to make shit hit the fan I'd like to at least leave quickly so I don't accidentally get entangled with the Russian Mafia
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Lolwat
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right click group -> leave group
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easy
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This aint that big anyway
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You guys are a chatty bunch. Sorry I'm kinda buried in modding work.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 2:43 PM
I guess
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It is okay Oppenhymen
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Why did all of this Complex Doom BS happen in the first place again?
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Too long a story to tell.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 2:44 PM
And how in the absolute fuck did it involve Russians
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I got tons of time
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Not for you
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For me
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:P
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 2:45 PM
Oh ok lol
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I mean it can't be too long
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Too long.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 2:45 PM
It's not like Old Testament long right?
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Literal YEARS of drama.
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With many perspectives, infights...
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now it makes total sense why your pfp is drama
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 2:46 PM
Can't you consolidate it into one sentence? I mean we managed to do that with Mark's bullfuckery
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Lister likes it. If only he knew it referred to him as well
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 2:47 PM
Speaking of which wtf did you guys mean by Mark's Pirate Bay release
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And is this Mark SgtMark
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Brutal Fate will be released on TPB so that people don't have to pay for it (edited)
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup
Can't you consolidate it into one sentence? I mean we managed to do that with Mark's bullfuckery
The fine game of overkill revenge
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And too many addons are bad for your mod
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Brutal Fate will be released on TPB so that people don't have to pay for it (edited)
Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 2:49 PM
By Mark himself?
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I guess
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Yea
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 2:49 PM
Gee what a nice guy
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Too bad he once told someone to kill himself
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Was about to crack that joke
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 2:50 PM
Lmoa
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Hopefully I click the right link among the 500 other links
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That lead to some sort of illicit material
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Anyhow I believe we are all entirely safe about the leak
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Those prices are absurd
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Save for ME, as I might be the prime suspect. But we got the russian pseudonym for that after all
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Fluffy
Those prices are absurd
Yup.
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Honestly classic doom and everything to do with it should be played free, and shouldn't feel like you're playing some overpriced MMO with a sub
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I mean perhaps I could've let him slide and not have made this whole plan if it was, like, 2$ for the port and 1$ for nonwhitelist
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But fucking THIS?
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Nope nope
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So much nope
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Yeah I guess
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Man must be stopped
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For that price I could get back into WoW.
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yes (edited)
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I repeat I'm only paying 15$ as the leak gamble, not because I'd actually pay that much for the port without even those paid subs (edited)
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i will be more than happy to try and decompile
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ofc we got ristovski but i also wanna learn stuff about RE (edited)
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Makes sense
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I will share the builds to all anyway... just don't run it. At all. DRM may be nasty, not necessarily malware but very possibly nasty
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on the line with pooly rn
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I dunno what to tell him tbh
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Good luck to him I guess
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ye hes mf pissed about the pricing
15:05
"the apple of the doom community"
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Hah, good joke.
15:06
And very accurate.
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btw hes getting transferred somewhere
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nobody told where
15:07
but he estimates next week theyll tell him
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Ouch
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okay im pulling up some info on lister (edited)
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 3:28 PM
Hey frax does Italy have drafting?
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his real name is Sergei Dragunov (probably)
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 3:28 PM
Also how does drafting work again?
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Raov
his real name is Sergei Dragunov (probably)
How
17:13
How are you getting info on him?
17:13
the name is specified on a twitter account
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This is weird.
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I have the feeling Sergei Dragunov, unless more common than I think, is a pseudonym
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Because it's also the name of a character from Tekken
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maybe it is
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but maybe it aint
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On the other hand Lister definitely does NOT play Tekken
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it sounds common ngl
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He plays his mod 24h
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He just couldn't dedicate himself to any fighting game
17:16
🤔
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And of course I can't just ask him "Hey is your name Sergei Dragunov?????"
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:P
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tbh it might spook him for a sec (edited)
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he has a gran turismo sport profile? (edited)
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what
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yo
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yo
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i think i hit the jackpot
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You did?
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maybe not
17:18
but vk always has problems with perms
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I think the accounts in that pic are not the Lister we are talking about
17:19
Устал от серых будней? Ищешь где бы в жопу отполированных клинков бы напихали? Все дум моды тупо кал без изюминки и просто замена банальная спрайтов и врагов другими картиночками? Ты любитель жанра ARPG? Тебе явно к нам. _ LI$TeR's Simple Doom, aka LSD, ссылка на дискорд проекта: https://discord.gg/crtSMJW
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the twitch profile is for sure his tho
17:19
oh shit thanks
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This is his youtube channel
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Would definitely be useful to have info on the man
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oh my god hes dumber than i thought
17:26
hes doing mf trading
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on a platform that has been debunked as a scam like a year ago almost
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He's getting scammed?
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hes got a full-on profile there
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No wonder he is setting those ridiculous prices then
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Kek
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HE GOT FUCKING 220K ON HIS REAL- i fucking cant
17:28
this is like idk
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$3k?
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yeah 3k
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maybe 3.1
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yikes
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no fucking wonder he asks so much money for his sourceport
17:29
he just wants to gamble
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This might also mean he will never lower his port's prices.
17:31
So even in the case he kicks me out -- the updates alone won't be worth the price.
17:31
🤔
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HeliosDrive 12/19/2020 5:34 PM
This is good ammunition you guys are building up
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A neat and easy dispersal of them alongside the mod's release should weather away his reputation quite soundly.
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We will definitely have to at least try to cancel him among people who never heard of him before the port's announcement.
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ah yes cancel culture
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Canceling is part of human relations, after all. And definitely part of wanting to stop someone specific from selling something that should be everyone's possession illegally.
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can agree
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It just has to not be misguided
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And imho, we are not misguided
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@Frax314 the name i gave is confirmed to be real by his vk profile
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Show me that profile
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Alright
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thats him
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and he simps
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Saving that image for shitposting
18:01
:P (edited)
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i shall dig every cringe moment from him
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s i m p
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okay no that
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may be him
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s i m p (edited)
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HeliosDrive 12/19/2020 6:05 PM
Meestur kool
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lmao (edited)
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okay does lister have lsd servers?
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this shit real? (edited)
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Which ones?
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On Doomseeker?
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selfhost if possible (edited)
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Long ass story bro
18:24
Also Lister has servers on Doomseeker. Search for Luger, his pseudonym, in it
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And uhh
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LSD is legit, mostly
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I consider both LSD and CF fine
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'Cept as a matter of taste
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Nah I need IPs of em
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Wat?
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If they not on Doomseeker
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They are offline rn
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Makes sense to me
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Okay I think I'm gonna take a break I gave you guys a ton of starter information to process
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 7:33 PM
Erm
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This looks like doxxing
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What the fuck is happening
19:34
Are those Lister's profile and real photo?
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 7:34 PM
Do we really have to dig that far to farm dirt for a numbnut who caused a clusterfuck (pun intended) in a community for a 27 year old game?
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Like, I understand making it so that the sourceport never gains a single cent, but do you really have to rummage through his personal info?
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Not my idea
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I think Raov just wants to know his real name in order to sue him
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Since he is russian too and can
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 7:36 PM
Oh right
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just in case
19:37
im 16 doe
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 7:37 PM
But did he have to discover the dumbass was gambling his money away on a scam site
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or the people he simps for?
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i discovered his gambling addiction completely randomly
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 7:38 PM
Huh
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but i did go around searching for his info cant deny that
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/19/2020 7:39 PM
Russia must be a funky place
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup
Like, I understand making it so that the sourceport never gains a single cent, but do you really have to rummage through his personal info?
The more info, the better
20:45
But yeah, use this info with care. Don't go and show it around (edited)
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It doesn't leave this server unless it's used for suing or similar stuff
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its all info the himself gave so no legal problems
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If I think what lister is trying to do is true it could impact the entire doom community
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the pros of OSINT
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Also, I want to know if UV is involved as well
20:49
Cos I think he is
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I think he stopped being involved with LSD entirely when he was shown just how fucking racist L1st3r was.
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What about the fact that Leviathan showed me messages of him and Lister shit talking the CF server?
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....
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I don't trust anything Levi/Undead fucking says.
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what about this then?
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To be fair: No one really WANTS to play Satan's version of CF.
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I honestly don't trust UV as much as much as anyone else in the nexus server
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Also the fact that he invited random people from a different server idk what was
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And Admeral had, at one point, did ask if we should nuke the server.
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But I do, specifically recall him not wanting to have anything to do with LSD or Lister after he was shown screencaps of L1st3r talking about Flloyd.
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I once contacted UV about Lister but he was quite passive aggressive Don't think I have it anymore after I cleaned up my PMs
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iSpookulon
But I do, specifically recall him not wanting to have anything to do with LSD or Lister after he was shown screencaps of L1st3r talking about Flloyd.
It's funny because Lister & co. have always been outwardly homophobic since forever.
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Maybe UV doesn't have any direct relation to LSD and such, but whoever texts like that to him is bound to be sus
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Polyzium told me LGBT-directed bigotry is common af in Russia
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Eagle's actively transphobic as well
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I mean. Yeah that too, but it wasn't as sudden as the racism. I believe Lister posted a picture to Mr. Satan that involved Mr. Flloyd being sat on by black, fat, naked man.
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Polyzium told me LGBT-directed bigotry is common af in Russia
can confirm
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Just two big baddies making out of each other
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iSpookulon
I mean. Yeah that too, but it wasn't as sudden as the racism. I believe Lister posted a picture to Mr. Satan that involved Mr. Flloyd being sat on by black, fat, naked man.
You wish the man sitting on him was black
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....
20:58
No
20:58
The picture was of Flloyd being sat on by a naked black man.
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It was that which led me to report Lister the first time to Discord support
20:58
Maybe we are not talking about the same thing
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Because what I recall is (sensible?) a photoshop of muscular white man restraining Floyd with his penis.
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My god what is wrong with people....
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The forth one errors out.
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unFortunately
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I kinda
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Regardless of the fact I have my criticisms of modern anti-racism groups like BLM, what I saw was undeniably racist.
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Oh yeah almost forgot
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From Satan's coopdoom server
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And ofc lister is there as well, ofc
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this dude tryna use russian to spark shit
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Mega yikes for all the screencaps.
21:02
Yeah.
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and i cant think how coop would mean chicken in russian
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Must be a google translate error
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oh chicken house
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Yeah it translates it like that with Google Translate
21:04
This fucking dude
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meanwhile in coop v4 patch notes
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😂
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Mr. Satan seems really easily shaken, despite the rock hard act he puts up.
21:06
What's this CoopDoom mod anyway
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Satan's standalone project, adds some basic stuff to classic doom mp I guess
21:07
Didn't really try it though
21:12
So... yeah. This is fucked and if we fail we are going to litterally prove him right
21:13
On the "I always win cuz I'm smarter" thing, I guess
21:16
And he's gonna flap his gums around about how good a developer he is
21:16
When he is not
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@Frax314 Is this luger guy lister in disguise?
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Where?
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He's in my doom server with WASHTANIRADA
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Yes, Luger is one of Lister's aliases like Milfleur.
23:05
And WASHTANIRADA is one of his many #1 fans.
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Huh, how did he bypass TSPG's proxy detection? (edited)
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🤔
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I think I got it
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They posted screenshots of stuff they didn't like in CF right now in their meme channel
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They may be using a VPN
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Just ban them if possible
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There we go
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Screenshot in question
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Idk what's going on in it
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They're probably commenting Dr. Blood's marines
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Btw, you're really good help frax, thanks! (edited)
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I just don't know if they'll ever stop doing this
23:13
It's just getting too old
23:14
lol "fat piggi"
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Fluffy
They're probably commenting Dr. Blood's marines
From CD Invasion?
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Fluffy
It's just getting too old
I agree.
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Yeah it's from CDI
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Invasion was the best fun with Complex I've had I think
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It's not bad
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Ok people
12:45
I had Raov do some digging for THIS
12:46
In short, Li$ter is more than likely a fucking stock trading scammer.
12:46
Because the platform he is advertising is a scam and has a referral method.
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Help us to develop LSD (a lot), or 1000$
12:47
Seriously?
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yes he literally said that
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What the fuck
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This is our ultimate weapon if all else fails and our normal exposure is not enough.
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shotfan
Seriously?
Lister takes Doom modding like his life reason kek
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I mean. Honestly I'd make a kofi for my doom stuff if I worked at a respectable pace. 🤔
12:48
Not like this though.
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Honestly I'd only make one because I've been declared disabled by the Government. If I worked I wouldn't (edited)
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There is a microscopical chance that however what he's doing is that he found some kind of loophole in the scam platform he's exploiting. But how is he gonna explain that publicly, lol.
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only if we "pay him $1k"
12:50
or develop LSD
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Exactly. He would be cornered regardless.
12:53
Just like if we try taking down the port by GPL-2 conditions
12:53
He won't be able to show the source code as proof because well... he'd have publish the source code!
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 12/31/2020 8:28 AM
Inb4 another guy pissed at Lister leaks/publishes the code before you guys can (edited)
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I doubt there's someone pissed at Lister who will buy it in any way but me
12:32
But that'd just be a plus
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hm he's got a point
11:12
That'll already hinder his reputation
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I got screenshots of him actively mocking george flloyd in DMs (edited)
11:13
Send em in
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There's a forth, but it's broken.
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god help us all
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The forth one was a image of Flloyd being sat on by a fat, naked man IIRC
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Thank god it got corrupted or smth
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I woulda spoilered it for you lot.
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I can try to maybe recover it
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tbh the more evidence we got the better
11:26
do you have the original file?
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Nope.
11:27
oh wait wget exists
11:31
welp
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Welp
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nothing i can do on this one
12:19
Mark wasn't really kicked out anywhere for racism
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Although Lister's is MUCH more blatant...
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Also
12:19
I think I know why that image got corrupted
12:20
It's the one I reported to Discord
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oh makes sense then
12:20
makes TOTAL sense
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Perhaps they only acted on the image itself and didnt bother to read the rest of my report
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Guys I forgot to fucking tell you
11:24
I made a misstep
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I'm all ears mate
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Now I'm in Lister's pig channel compilation
11:25
I have to ask him if that implicates a change in price. Call me cold, but imho 20$ and over is just not worth saving the Doom community, which is shitty already anyway.
11:29
If it's a price I don't wanna pay, we're going to simply let nature run its course, except with the knowledge of everything that transpired here to be able to call him out effectively during his reign with the release of the port. Also, I was talking with him before and he said that "the port is not all I prepared for them".
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In that case, we're gonna write a post in both ZDF and Doomworld to make people rise aganist the GPL-2 infrightment.
11:41
Since they are, while full of eh people, also of open source enthusiasts
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Nope, we're still on the safe shore
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relayed all that to poly btw
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Including that the price did not change in the end?
12:37
everything before your "safe shore" message
12:37
so, whats our current plan?
12:38
wait out for the release, buy the port out and reverse it to confirm he stole code? (edited)
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Perhaps we could reverse it and release it as "free and open source clone", which would be a huge moral slap to him since he won't be able to prove otherwise without releasing the genuine source code.
12:41
But yes, the main point is to reverse and release it as open source regardless of method.
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damn thats one good idea
12:44
@Frax314 from poly: The damn thing was doomed from the very start cuz of lister's thrist for money
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Well, actually I believe things would've went his way without any action But luckily people can help
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 01/11/2021 4:39 PM
Hey Frax
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Is it fine if I relay to a bunch of people who have never heard of Lister about the sourceport
16:57
Why even bother them with such a thing when it is not even released?
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Well holy shit. This changes much.
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Jesus.
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jesus fuck
polyzium started a call that lasted 2.8411333333333335 minutes 01/11/2021 9:35 PM
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uh
21:35
what?
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oh fuck what?
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bruh
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dropped him a msg
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Oh it Polyzium, but I'm not in a state to vc rn
21:36
Go and vc with him if yall want
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same
21:36
I am barely alive rn
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hm the voice is definitely not him
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Huh? How come?
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Здарова
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he shared his account with some guy (edited)
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ah i see whats happening
21:38
his crewmates are fucking around
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blyat
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WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK
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How are both Pa1n and Mark THAT stupid?
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I smell that he is lying to you.
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and that "ehehe"
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He probably talked some bullshit to these two.
21:41
Did not mention to them that he is going for paid distribution.
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From how he spoke, I think he just asked them their relations with CF, ZDF and whatnot.
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Naturally, both Sarge and Pa1n are NOT in good status with either, so they are good to go on his port's whitelist.
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That is what I think - that he omitted the "detail" of a pricetag.
21:43
Although, may not be that shocking in the case of SgMkIV...
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But regarding Pa1n, it is.
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I'd like not to speak to either about it regardless.
21:43
For obvious reasons...
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maybe we can get some leaks through em?
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What a fucking shit situation. Seriously
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okay i dont seem to be grasping just how bad it is can someone give me background on the guys?
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Sergeant Mark IV and Pa1nkiller are likely the most influential modders in Doom
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what about the guy who made H-Doom?
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Yknow I can barely even bear this any more
21:46
Having to even just talk to slimeballs like him and his Discord
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It's a stupid experience I really want to end asap
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rick roll him and call it a day I guess
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It's just utterly fucking detrimental to my sanity to even small talk to the dude
21:50
Because his petty way of things makes me take a fucking video game community this seriously
21:51
Idk if I feel right about giving him 15$ for absolutely any reason anymore
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its for the better
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So uh.
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I know, but for the better of a barely well and all things considered already shitty and decayed community
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Yeah Spook?
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While you guys are plotting this Anti Listor shit, I might need some help on the other end of the complex spectrum.
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For what?
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Well like I said in the complexity server: I'm revamping the Dark hellion and Diabloist (and the other viles that use vile attacks that have A_explode so it's not as stupid), I need some footage of the Abyssal satyr in action.
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iSpookulon
Well like I said in the complexity server: I'm revamping the Dark hellion and Diabloist (and the other viles that use vile attacks that have A_explode so it's not as stupid), I need some footage of the Abyssal satyr in action.
You mean LSD's? You could just get it from UV's videos on Extra. But talk to me in PM for that...
22:01
Oh fuck it yknow what y'all. I'm out this motherfucking drama-based community. Do what you will with the info I gave you so far or ask me for more of that, I don't even care any more...
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Geez
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You need a break Frax.
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Gonna send my last regards to Lister.
22:03
Shotfan, I guess I'll stay in HM.
22:03
Since it's disconnected entirely.
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You are dealing with toxic people, that is the result.
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Anybody else can monitor Lister?
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am busy with college stuff So I'm out
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Raov, being Russian, can infiltrate.
22:04
Better than me even.
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Im entirely done with Doom community though, except HM, MALIGN and Italian QCDE
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I don't know, you should narrow it down to just being done with complex and brutal.
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No. I don't wanna see anywhere related to him in any way, friends OR foes.
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... Hence why I said that. 🤔
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He is going after QZandro devs somehow
22:14
So not even QCDE/D4T is safe anymore
22:15
Behold, more than a year and a half of having to suffer through petty motherfuckers exploding in a single meltdown worth Tyler1's medal of rage™️
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Roasted.
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Not the best roast. I can't do better tho (edited)
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I honestly had no better material and was writing while in the heat of the moment, it's a shitty roast
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bruh
22:40
that's some harsh shit
22:40
but it's ineffective with a guy like him
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Verily
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 01/12/2021 12:59 AM
Oof
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Considering how much we could be ripped off by a 15$ sourceport, I wouldn't be surprised if members of the Doom community were to study it in length and denounce it as scandalous or try toreplicate the code
01:01
Things like this are natural in my experience; make something paid and people WILL do something about it (edited)
01:01
Besides we already found out he's a coomer-lookin motherfucker so that alone can ruin his rep
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No need for doxxing shit. The pricetag buffoonery should ruin his reputation instead. (edited)
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 01/12/2021 1:03 AM
And then when that happens we can unload all the info we got on him on Twitter
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He seems an even bigger sleezebag than Mark it seems, since Mark wasn't open about his beliefs
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I do not approve of that.
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Revealing the sourceport selling attempt is enough for me. (edited)
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 01/12/2021 1:05 AM
Ye
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Considering the DRM, that alone is enough to warrant some sort of investigation on it
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Fuck if we're lucky SomeOrdinaryGamers could even detail it on Virus Investigations
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HeliosDrive 01/12/2021 2:12 AM
Keep in mind that, if memory serves me correct, that 15$ price tag is the bear minimum
02:13
Since you'll need to fork over extra to play mods that are on the "greylist"
02:14
Which is basically anything that doesn't fall on the extreme ends of Lister-Blister's dis/approval scale.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 01/12/2021 6:09 AM
why the hell are his ties and interests in Project Brutality so large anyways
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Is Pa1nkiller Russian?
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No idea
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Poly just responded to the call from yesterday, wasn't him.
08:18
Just as I suspected
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So yeah. If you want info on how and where to get close to them or just general info, et cetera just ask me
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You're right, HM seems to be the only safe haven now, if sgt mark and pa1n is into this shit as well
14:59
That or lister is a liar (edited)
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I mean Wouldnt be that OOC for them
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But tbh I don't even wanna know if it's true or not I wanna see what this shit turned into after the dust settles and never before
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@Sinigang the Philippine Soup Pa1n is American.
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I guess that Lister established a connection to PB's team by the virtue of PB growing popular. (edited)
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He also likes Brutal mods himself
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Yeah, he is hanging around the Schism server a lot.
19:10
I am getting worried that he might pull similar trick on Lord Lothar (Schism's main modder). (edited)
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Lothar is litterally his biggest buddy dude
19:17
Personally, not indirectly, they're real close
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So yeah.
19:20
I guess I have to monitor what Lister says on that server.
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He generally flaps his gums around as usual
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Maybe I will catch on early enough if Lothar gets the offer himself.
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Schism definitely is on the whitelist
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So that means it would be included in that Lister's sold bundle? (edited)
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More like you don't gotta pay a subscription for it
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Fuck Lothar.
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What? Why?
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RacistAF.
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Racist? Towards whom? I never have heard that from him.
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He came into my server semi-recently because I guess someone passed him screengrabs of people talking about the server in mine.
19:24
I brought up screenshots of Lister being racist AS FUCK and talking shit about George Flloyd, and he basically laughed it off, talked about how Lister was only parroting what other Slavic folk think, and actively did the same shit as Lister did, so I punted him off of the discord.
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Can I ask for screenshots of that conversation?
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Unfortunately, I forgot to screengrab it before I banned him, as I often have discord wipe logs of those who are banned.
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From poly to all: hi all, polyzium here. The call that was made from my discord account [abruptly cut off msg?] (edited)
20:02
got the rest of it
20:03
[continued] wasn't me. It was one of my crewmates who had discord on his phone, so i can casually check discord if i get the chance; i never got such a chance. so he got bored and started fucking around w/ my account. I REPEAT: IT WASN'T ME.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 01/13/2021 1:01 AM
What's HM?
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I've seen it been thrown around in the convo
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Hunter's Moon
01:09
Quake 3 but good but singleplayer & coop.
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Fug you Quake 3 was always good.
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Go play it, it's good. 😛
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Eh. I've played HM, it's okay.
01:13
I'm with TerminustEst13 though: Guy should put his skills to better use, on another engine. (edited)
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He alread does
01:14
Makes L4D2 maps, as well as some other stuff iirc
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I mean.
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Doom is just the easiest engine to make Q3 singleplayer, and the aim is not a tech demo
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Take all the effort he's putting into HM, and put it into another game that does what HM is doing.
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GZ coding/scripting is uber easy though, compared to other options, as far as I know, and it's already a project that requires a shit ton effort
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Kinda work minimization if you get what I mean
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Yeah but it'd be easier in, say, unreal.
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Because you wouldn't need to deal with the Sphagetti that is Gzdoom
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Zanieon already answered that.
01:20
He said that he is not usind Quake 3 engine because Doom engine is easier to code AND has a gigantic amount of fanmade of content (like mapsets) already in place.
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Afaik Unreal fans have an hate boner aganist Quake, while doing Q3 to any extent in Doom is effectively impressive, as well
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Compared to that, the modverse of Quake 3 is small.
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🤔 Never said Q3 engine. Said unreal. But okay. Also unreal fans can eat a fat dick.
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Q3 is pure hell to mod as far as I have been told
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There was some insufferable guy back then that visited his server and talked endlessly how Unreal engine is better.
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That could only end in one way.
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Haha yeah
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To be fair though, he was a fucking egotist.
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Now that I think about it, he was basically UE1 Li$ter.
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Same ego, but even smaller reality.
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Zanieon just prefers to mod for Doom right now.
01:23
He is rather disillusioned with Unreal Tournament, that might be part of the reason why he does not mod for it now.
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He can but it's still misplaced effort, especially with something that uses models so freely. But eh.
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He used to, but not anymroe.
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Not misplaced for him.
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Models are not the point
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He uses models because the sprites are not there
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They are replacements morr than the fully intended work tools
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Yeah, and using models so readily is kind of an issue considering that THE ENGINE CHOKES AFTER A POINT DUE TO IT. It's kind of the point.
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Wdym?
01:27
Models in HM are pretty optimized, on fucking GZ it runs well with gigantic hordes
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ON MY TOASTER
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It even runs on my rustic typewriter of a computer. (edited)
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In fact iSpook, it runs better on slaugtery maps than a lot of 2D mods, including your own (no offense of course)
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To be fair slaughtery maps aren't built for Gzdoom.
01:31
They just aren't.
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No matter how hard that cunt bridgeburning wants to try and make maps for Gzdoom.
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Eh? It's more like gameplay mods aren't made for slaughtery maps
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Ever tried Monster Interpolation to OFF? Or any display setting fiddling?
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... No? Dude. Zdoom-based ports can't fucking handle slaughter maps very well. The reason why boom and more vanilla-related ports can do it so well because the only code the engine has to worry about is the baseline game code. With Zdoom it has to deal with extra code checks from decorate sources and the like.
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But it works for my toaster...
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So it is not entirely like that, at the very least.
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I mean there's always room for exceptions, but still.
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Theory timr
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GZ has some problems with certain graphic card models
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Or, you know, expecting an engine to track extra coding on hundreds of monsters at onces might lead to performance problems more often than not.
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But that is a mod problem
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No that's literally a Zdoom problem.
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It only needs to check DECORATE/ZSCRIPT in newer versions
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And that is not much at all, problems are when you bloat yours actors somehow
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And Zanieon keeps it simple with his monster/entity code. A peasant like me can read it well!
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Uuuuh.
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No? No.
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Illuminate me
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My laptop RN is a very recent latpop:
02:29
02:30
And after some extensive testing (which was me getting carried away holy hell map05, vanilla), I was getting 40-60... with a laptop that can easily get 200fps with the same vanilla set up on something normal. Sure it's a bit of a stretch, given the map and all, but i'm pretty sure a toaster would fry if it tried the same. IDK
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HeliosDrive 01/13/2021 7:33 AM
What about the Unity engine?
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Eh. If you're going with game engines, unreal is kinda the best, maybe. IDK.
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Isn't Holy Hell one of the biggest monster counts?
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I can play Chillax and EoA at like 50-60 FPS? On GZ
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Fairly, EoA is one of the most optimized mods out there (without the monster pace), but still
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In fact it just highlights more that mods might be the prime reason
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Oku has 23000+ But I can't get ahold of that mod.
10:45
CHecking holy hell revealed.
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...Holy Hell Revealed is THE BIGGEST SLAUGHTERMAP EVER MADE, at least when I last checked on doomwiki.org...? Except maybe Okuplok and stuff are more recent and they did not count them
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Holy hell revealed has 40k+
10:48
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One thing to notice
10:50
Most slaughtermaps also have large architecture/are big in itself, which contributes to the lag
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There is very likely something behind vanilla slaughtermaps lagging on GZ because I can play HM's Monoliths of Agora just fine, despite its enormous amounts of monsters per wave
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 01/14/2021 11:29 AM
hey Frax uh
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I seem to notice you left most Discords recently
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I did, no more until this fuckery resolves
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 01/14/2021 11:30 AM
aight
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 01/20/2021 6:12 AM
Frax
06:13
it appears I have some sort of new development that I slept on
06:14
before Anime Punk yeeted himself off Secreta he said that he already left the LSD community beforehand
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So I doubt that he was there for Dusted alone
06:14
(way he got banned was still pretty dense tho)
06:15
wait shit
06:15
wrong one
06:16
this was the comment
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup
this was the comment
Lol
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That cannot be
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For the simple reason he was there when I left
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He was either lying or rejoined later
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 01/20/2021 10:22 AM
huh
10:22
We'll never know 🤷‍♂️
10:22
Speaking of which I left the place too
10:22
Nothing big, but I was scared I was gonna get cancelled because I'm still trying to draw black people without being a racial stereotype
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The Secreta Lounge you mean?
10:31
Good choice, you can fully enjoy those mods without necessarily being part of their communiy
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Is the release candidate for Listeronum still on track?
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You mean if it'll still be made? Yeah...
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I meant more a release date, but yeah.
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Frax314
Good choice, you can fully enjoy those mods without necessarily being part of their communiy
Sinigang the Philippine Soup 01/22/2021 3:32 AM
ngl they were nice people
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But mention Brutal Doom at least once and someone there goes on a rampage
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Also left the QCDE Discord. Not a Hurykles moment but I was pissed at Zandronum cyberbullying me with "You fail it!"
🤣 1
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup
Also left the QCDE Discord. Not a Hurykles moment but I was pissed at Zandronum cyberbullying me with "You fail it!"
You can disable medals btw...
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 01/22/2021 10:32 AM
I know
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Glad I did
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Fucking hated those medals
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Can go burn in a ditch
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Surprise!
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Yeahhhhh...
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I'm back okay?
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Fuck the military and that crewmate of mine
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I chose to quit it, actually...
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Li$ter and people were entirely unbearable Doom community is a mess already I'm just not enough in for it, not anymore at least
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Doom community is a mess already
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Always has been 🔫
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I got honorably discharged cause I blew up Malaysia
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Gtg to sleep
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Gnite
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KENSUKE21
I got honorably discharged cause I blew up Malaysia
Sinigang the Philippine Soup 01/25/2021 4:12 AM
tfw they honorably discharge you from removing an entire country from the face of the Earth
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 01/27/2021 5:41 AM
wasn't there a Complex Doom fork called Complex lexicon?
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NFI
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Lolno
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It's just a short for servers that run both Complex Doom and The Sentinel's Lexicon kek
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What are the current plans regarding Lister and his port?
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None, as I said
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Scroll upwards (edited)
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/02/2021 3:53 PM
cool
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so Hege Cactus, Lister, and Lord Lothar are in the same server
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Don't ask
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They just are
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Lothar's?
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/02/2021 3:53 PM
nah
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Romero's Discord
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It's pretty odd ngl
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Pretty normal... they are all Doom community members
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/02/2021 3:54 PM
seeing Lister act normally after you show all the racist shit
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Aaaand Lothar just lauded to me how great Listerium is going to be.
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He does not know what I know though.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup
seeing Lister act normally after you show all the racist shit
"Normally" to you. But I hate his very speech pattern by now, it reeks of something I can't describe
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Narcissism?
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Aaaand Lothar just lauded to me how great Listerium is going to be.
Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/02/2021 3:57 PM
where?
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LSD server?
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In DMs.
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Without any prompt from me about it.
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So, it seems like something is happening on the Lister's side...
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/02/2021 4:00 PM
man
16:01
to think you would stoop so low to sell out
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Lister should've just invested in Gamestock (HAH!) or else this wouldn't have happened
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shotfan
Narcissism?
Sorta. But I'd say it's more the self-righteousness
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/03/2021 1:27 AM
Question (edited)
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Lister's outwardly homophobic correct? (edited)
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From what I was told, Lister's homophobia is in line with most people in that region.
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Yeeeeeeah
01:47
Russia is not a LGBT paragon, either the state or the society. (edited)
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/03/2021 1:49 AM
F
01:49
Well either way, surprised he didn't instantly cringe off of Romero's Discord because of the nonbinary Doom logos
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Surprise surprise
01:56
When it comes to chumming with one of id's founders, he suddenly can hide it.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/03/2021 1:57 AM
lmao
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got rid of that ultra religious belief a while back
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I saw Romero'a Discord being mentioned here and in the PB server
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Some guy is asking if the place is toxic
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/03/2021 1:57 AM
it was concerning how Christianity was fine with nuking people because they were nonbinary
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And that he got banned and stuff
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KENSUKE21
Some guy is asking if the place is toxic
Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/03/2021 1:57 AM
nope not at all. Very friendly people
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one downside: Lord Lothar and Lister are there
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I guess that's why he was asking that
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/03/2021 1:58 AM
but apart from that, lots of people from many different sides of the Doom community
01:59
NuDoom community, Quake MP community, Quake SP community, Classic Doom boomers, New School Doom mod fans, Old School Doom mod fans all converge in that Discord (edited)
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Romero's Games was just advertised over at Schism.
01:59
Expect an influx of Russian Doomers
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/03/2021 2:07 AM
there's already a big group of non-native English doomers
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Get ready for a bigger one (edited)
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/03/2021 6:17 AM
shit
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Guys
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Shit is going down on Schism
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what exactly
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Lister got pissed off at this:
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Do not know where that post appeared - I am guessing Romero's Games.
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ofc he will get pissed
15:10
hes gettin exposed
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But it was reposted at Schism
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And Lister denies that, obviously
15:10
I must check the rest of the posts, hold on
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shotfan
Lister got pissed off at this:
Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/03/2021 3:11 PM
HOLY SHIT
15:11
BASED DOOMKRAKKEN
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HeliosDrive 02/03/2021 3:12 PM
And thus, the first round of the war has been fired.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/03/2021 3:14 PM
Also no, that's not Romero's Discord I think
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10-33, 10-33, shots fired shots fired
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/03/2021 3:14 PM
Only person in red is the man himself, John
15:14
Might be the EOA Discord
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Well holy fuck, I told him about it before but thought he'd stay quiet...
15:15
But that's fine.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/03/2021 3:15 PM
of course, EOA is in much closer proximity to CD so...
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Holy shit we have a fire over there
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Frax314
Well holy fuck, I told him about it before but thought he'd stay quiet...
Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/03/2021 3:15 PM
but now that he's fessed up, we can spread the news and wage an intergalactic war that affects the community so far it reaches parts of the community we didn't even know about right?
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/03/2021 3:16 PM
(jk don't pls)
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Lister and his pal Kinnerokhn are insulting server staff because we are defending DoomKrakken
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This is getting tense
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Kinnerokhn? Never heard of him
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/03/2021 3:16 PM
oof Kinnerokhn
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shotfan
Holy shit we have a fire over there
how bad
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/03/2021 3:16 PM
Talk to him a lot on Romero's Discord
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Told one of moderators that he sucks DoomKrakkens dick
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shotfan
Lister got pissed off at this:
btw relayed to poly
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Polyzium is more free rn though wasn't he? Although he already stopped messaging here again (edited)
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the reverse actually
15:18
hes got more work
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and his S8 got stolen
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He told us he was in HM Discord... aw rip
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phone was found and returned back to parents so only relay through me rn (edited)
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I see
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shotfan
Told one of moderators that he sucks DoomKrakkens dick
But where, Schism you say?
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shotfan
Told one of moderators that he sucks DoomKrakkens dick
Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/03/2021 3:20 PM
can you blame him? Mans got a large one
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To both
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Also this:
15:20
Also posted by Lister in there
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/03/2021 3:20 PM
YOO BASED GIGACHAD KRAKKEN
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Lister's ass is burning
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We know nothing is gonna get solved like this but ehhh
15:21
Enjoy the meltdown I guess
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He is not behaving rational now
15:21
Reposting incriminating claims over to the general Schism server
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Yeah Lister says he's a smart troll but he's got a short ass temper.
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You want an invite there to see for yourself?
15:22
I quit it for these very reasons
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This got pretty big
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/03/2021 3:22 PM
Frax gave up on the community years ago :notsorlag:
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shotfan
This got pretty big
You mean the general Shism userbase is seeing that and getting pissed in turn?
15:23
That would be a stellar case
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Well duh
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lets fucking go its fire rn
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I mean aganist Lister
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He apparently wants to "clear" his name by posting this and showing DoomKrakken as the dishonest one
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/03/2021 3:24 PM
Maybe we could fan the flames and oust him now when we have the chance
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Just like he went crying last time when you made that edit about LSD on TVTropes lmao
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Posting what?
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Those screenrips I reposted here.
15:25
Both of them, HE posted to our server.
15:25
Interesting strategy.
15:25
I suppose that he feels that is his turf too.
15:25
I wonder whose side Lothar will take. He is kind of forced to choose now.
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Ah I see, the ol'circlejerk "look at this guy trying to oppose us!"
15:26
Lothar will always be with Lister, trust me.
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He is part of the circlejerk.
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I need a break...
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/03/2021 3:29 PM
based on how aggressive he is on this, I wouldn't be surprised if Krakken held his ground and kept on with his evidence
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The unstoppable force Lister (because you just can't change him) VS the unmovable object DoomKrakken
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/03/2021 3:30 PM
Cringe Lister vs Based DoomKrakken
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Should we contact DoomKrakken?
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i think yeah
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/03/2021 3:31 PM
sure
15:32
this poses an issue however
15:33
since we got a full-on Doom modder on our side, his reputation may be completely tarnished, considering the risk of this operation being that "if the community doesn't believe us, we'll be exiled"
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I will
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Yeah, he needs support.
15:33
Good enough that he had courage to post this.
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Fuck I don't have his friend and am not in any discord of his
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DoomKrakken should have ties to the Pillowblaster's team in turn.
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shotfan
DoomKrakken should have ties to the Pillowblaster's team in turn.
Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/03/2021 3:34 PM
really? odd...
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He cooperated for some time on Guncaster I believe.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/03/2021 3:35 PM
remember in Secreta that he apparently annoyed the GC devs more than help :P (edited)
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If only for the addons.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/03/2021 3:35 PM
this is coming from KeksDose himself BTW
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oh also
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So you know more than me.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/03/2021 3:35 PM
I've met a friend from the Brutal side of the community, SirPaulCharlie
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is he a problem?
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Hmmm
15:36
I think that he is harmless
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/03/2021 3:36 PM
@Frax314 does the name ring a bell?
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Don't know him
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Probably joined after I quit it...
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So yeah... you gotta contact DoomKrakken yourself
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/03/2021 3:39 PM
dammit
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SirPaulCharlie probably came from the Schism server.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/03/2021 3:40 PM
and PB server
15:40
he was nice ngl
15:42
Me and him recommended Dox to make a PB 3.0 Chainsaw upgrade that turned it into a triple-bladed laser chainsaw
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I don't get what you mean
15:43
Did this SirPaulCharlie guy say anything there?
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/03/2021 3:43 PM
nope
15:43
but I wanted to know I was with the right people
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Talking to DoomKrakken rn
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what should I tell him other than "I know wut happen abut Listernem lmao out loud"
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Dunno
15:45
Maybe that there is group that is collecting incriminating evidence on him?
15:45
Like, ours?
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/03/2021 3:45 PM
hmm. I told him that Frax told me to talk to him
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Which now that I realize was likely not the smartest decision
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Should I talk to him?
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/03/2021 3:47 PM
nah already talking to Krak
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@Frax314 what else should I do
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Meanwhile:
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/03/2021 3:47 PM
I told him about his sourceport mishap
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Meanwhile:
Is that some group chat you have?
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DoomKrakken claims here to having already trying to warn Lothar.
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@Frax314 A DM with YourpalZ3R0.
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And how you got that?
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He posted that screenshot for me.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/03/2021 3:48 PM
sees earlier comment here about Lothar and Lister being best bros 4 lyfe o o f
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Z3R0 is a comoderator over at Schism.
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Well idk Bulalo, ask him to accept my friend request I guess
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He does not know.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/03/2021 3:49 PM
sure
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wait
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did you even send him one?
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frax?
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FRAX
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I did
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/03/2021 3:49 PM
ok ok cool
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He accepted it it seems
15:50
This is a top-secret operation
15:50
Contact us under 140.85
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/03/2021 3:50 PM
oh ok
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(Sorry, I wanted a MGS joke)
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/03/2021 3:50 PM
well I gotta eat, take a shower, and resume my healthy life without Quake Multiplayer
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It's been real
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So Lister removed his stuff, Krakken told me?
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Where?
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Asking him rn
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Should I save the posts from the Schism server?
15:52
May be important
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shotfan
Contact us under 140.85
alright mate wya /s (edited)
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HeliosDrive 02/03/2021 4:14 PM
@Frax314 You or anyone else still have access to any Listeronum resources? Would be nice if that was still made available to the community. (edited)
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resources being?
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None
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HeliosDrive 02/03/2021 4:15 PM
Damn
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nah i know
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There are no resources of it out until it properly releases.
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but @HeliosDrive what did you mean by resources (edited)
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HeliosDrive 02/03/2021 4:16 PM
Anything, really
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Although I think I do have zandronum-fixed.zip, their simple bugfix port of Zandronim.
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i still got a maltego map on hinm
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HeliosDrive 02/03/2021 4:16 PM
I see
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/03/2021 4:34 PM
What happened with the talk with DoomKrakken
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Did anything come out of it
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Just told him he can use me for reference
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/03/2021 4:57 PM
I see
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Feeling like he might spread it in the QCDE Discord too
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Who?
17:12
Also, naturally, Lister hates Q-Zandronum as he told me.
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DoomKrakken declined the invitation to our group?
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I didn't give it to him, I feel I shouldn't yet
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But he is informed of us?
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Nope.
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Alright then.
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No more contact until we decide to bring him here, yes?
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Unless he asks for our assistance.
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Oh, I just remembered ha group DMs like these have a limit of 10 members anyway.
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So if we want to invite more people, that means we would need a proper server. (edited)
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Wait they do? Huh.
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wtf we are exactly 10
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Yeah that is the issue.
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So yeah, this is getting big lol
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We'll see if and when it's time to include more people for a reason or another
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But how'd it end in Schism server?
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Lister got generally told to fuck off with his assholery and witch hunting.
15:21
Moderators beside myself got seriously confused about how to respond.
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Lothar did not want to read everything, he claimed that he was overwhelmed. He just said on the server that they need to cut the talk or he will start kicking and banning.
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(No such penalty so far)
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lol
15:23
£ > $
15:23
there
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Lister also played the buddy card with Lothar, so I asked him in the moderator channel if that is true. I am awaiting response.
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Lister wreck'd
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Not really
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pound is better than dollar
15:23
get wreckd
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He still posted afterwards, acting like he does not have to change himself at all.
15:24
I am considering confronting Lothar about DoomKrakken's claims.
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wait what? DoomKrakken?
15:24
he with Lister?
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oh good
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Quite the opposite
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dude's very chill and would have been mega confused if he was with him
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It all started because Lister reposted DK's post that claimed what we know of Lister's scam.
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So Lister came with that to Schism server, acting like he is the best and free of any misdoings.
15:26
But the backlash was great, some random people calling out on his bullshit.
15:27
I need to see what Lothar replies.
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great shit
15:28
i see everything is going to plan
15:30
updates relayed to poly (edited)
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Nice enough outcome
15:33
So the Schism people have shown to be aganist the port being paid in the first place, right?
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Not many public replies.
15:34
Two regular users for now.
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Fine enough
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Sent Krakken an useful screenshot
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Namely this one.
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That is the most important one I suppose?
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im guessing
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hold on i might be able to dig up more info on him actually (edited)
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maybe to the point of a full dox (edited)
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but not posting it here because tos duh (edited)
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I mean. It is not a dox if it is info shared by him, unless he deletes it before they are shared...
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hmmmmmmmmm
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this is why i should act quick (edited)
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Social media, not so harmless
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WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT
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we scoured through his VK profile
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hes a huge fucking simp (edited)
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Figures.
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We already got the screens from there, right?
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hell yeah we do
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What he does with those photos?
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Comment on them, like them?
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likes, reposts
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sometimes comments
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for example "holy shit she hot daym" (edited)
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Clear enough.
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translated and not word-for-word
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that message i linked says "shes fucking amazing"
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Kekw
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Although that's barely a real argument...
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Yeah yeah
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typical ogling
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well yeah thats not much of a point
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Makes me think whether it is more probable that he is single or looking for a cheat venture
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May be funny to add to a big dissertation on him though
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oh fuck he has a roblox profile
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R O B L O X . C O M
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he also got memes on his twitch offline screen so this pic of him is invalidated https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/786555353407029270/789869741773684776/Wfc8-nCmcRQ.png?width=340&height=453 (edited)
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he cant be this fuckin old
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maybe he balded soon
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his periscope profile name is sergei dragunov
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so probablyn thats his real name
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bnut then we got only 2 samples
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so probs not (edited)
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That is a Tekken 5 character 😄
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i know (edited)
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i mean the name/surname combo is valid in russia and the name is pretty common
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I doubt it though
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Especially cuz he told me his main was Dragunov.
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Sergei is a common name, yes, but the surname is suspicious...
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can agree (edited)
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It is most known for that DMR gun (SVD Dragunov).
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ye mate i didnt move into russia yesterday lol
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Tekken character probably played off from that.
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I do not question that lol
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Just with this exact combination, we cannot be sure.
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Oh, really
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Lister just hauled his ass to LiTDoom
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I am a moderator there too...
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i can make an alt- oh perfect
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He is not even bothering with secrecy. Just lurking out in the open.
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btw is that his server?
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No. Of course not.
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ah good
18:12
he cant kick us outta there then if shit goes down (edited)
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It belongs to Grey Wolf.
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btw i brought up no other info
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No, I got you covered there.
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i still need his middle name
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Sergeiovich
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then i can do a government resources lookup
18:13
wait real middle name?
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like
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his and not the tekken character's? (edited)
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No I am just joking 😄
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Hence the strikethrough
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I don't think having his name will help anything
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nah it will
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at least with the dox
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For the Olymp Trade scam he's running?
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he doesnt own olymp trade i think you know that
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What now?
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otherwise he wouldnt be selling his port and instead swimming in money somewhere in moscow (edited)
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I know, but he is still part of that. I don't see how his name would be relevant to his self in the Doom community.
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it wont be
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but it will be helpful with a very possible dox
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okay i kinda dont see any point in it now (edited)
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What is Olymp Trade?
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scam trading website
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buy stonks, sell stonks, gets scammed in between
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Goes by word-of-mouth and Li$ter said he'd let you know all of its secrets... for a (huge) fee.
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Goes by word-of-mouth and Li$ter said he'd let you know all of its secrets... for a (huge) fee.
ah yes just so that he can lose even more
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Professional scammer, just great.
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that fee being btw?
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I don't remember. Lemme see the images, pretty sure I sent the screenshot...
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1000$ :kekw:
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ah the trading secrets
18:20
yeah $1k for a scam platform is like definitely not bs
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youll get better luck at cryptoexchanges even
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1000$ is probably three average salaries in Russia or something?
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2.4 average salaries in my area
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actually no
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its around 30k rubles
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so $396.73 going by current rates
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2.52 salaries
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hes ballin
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OR Help us to develop LSD( a lot),
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That is the ridiculous part
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This is definitely the shadiest show of his I mean, stock trading secrets for help on a game mod? Seriously?
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Welcome to 🇷🇺
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... Wat
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We Slavs like to scam ourselves at every opportunity. Glorious postcommunist heritage.
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yeah in russia you either scam or get scammed
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It is not like Poland is free of it either.
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Not good
21:04
Lothar treats me like I am an idiot, refusing to answer my question about his relationship with Lister
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He behaves like it is nothing important and invents excuses to not give an answer immediately
21:05
This stinks.
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If you wanna call him out, do it. If you don't, don't. I guess. (edited)
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Remember to use the GPL-2 license as the main argument aganist the port.
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He is hiding something, definitely.
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He never hid it before. Which makes me confused now.
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I just did not expect him to resort to such dishonest tactics at the first step.
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Can you send me screens so I can understand better?
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Not right now, unfortunately.
21:08
I will do it as soon as I can.
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Maybe a copypaste of his messages?
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That is not enough, you should have full context.
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I have to gather this all first, before I do my move anyways.
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I see, alright
21:11
But do NOT use any of Li$ter's direct behaviour/stuff you wouldn't know.
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Yeah, I need to make sure what that buffoon foolishly told about himself.
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Who? Lister?
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Yes.
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One more advice: if anyone retorts something about CF, just say you don't know nor care about it
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I do not care about that shit indeed lol
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But what exactly are you doing? Scouting through the Discord?
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Now? I am trying to procure all of relevant screenshots.
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Ah I see. Recall what Krakken said though -- Lister deleted quite a few past messages
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Damn it, getting those screenshots is not as simple. I need better hardware.
23:27
I should get it done by tomorrow. Sorry for the delay. There is a lot of stuff to save (luckily nobody erased anything yet).
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/05/2021 6:39 AM
kek out loud
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Alright guys, I have the screenshots of what happened in the Schism server. Over fifty of them. Should I post them all here? (edited)
12:49
Also guess things with listeronum isn't really going according to plan huh?
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Shame, real shame
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😄
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You will for yourself what went down there. This will take a moment.
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There are three parts. First, the Schism general server. Here we go...
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Things got really lit here
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That is the first batch.
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The second is from the staff channel.
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Is that the end?
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No, hold on
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Oh you posted that already
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Or wait
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But yeah, 4 years later and lister is still salty from being banned from TSPG (edited)
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I am trying to maintain continuity, hence the final posts on the screenshots are repeated on the subsequent ones.
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Just move on buddy
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Here goes search engine image dump...
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WHat is this?
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Wait a little...
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Lothar is trying really hard to not answer your question by posting so much
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Yup, that is what I thought too.
13:07
He pulled an EDI on me, thinking I will fuck off.
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What's Lothar responsible for anyways?
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I forgot
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Too bad buddy, you were casually talking that day on your server elsewhere, and even looking to play Quake 3.
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So much for being so occupied with your studies.
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holy fuck thats a ton
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That is the end of the second batch.
13:09
The final one is the material I have from the conversation with YourpalZ3R0, another Schism moderator. Just a few.
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But i'm pretty sure lister is trying to ally with brutal doom modders
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In order to promote his thing
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It's all very stupid
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That is all.
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So I guess the conclusion is the lothar is lister's buddy or something
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HeliosDrive 02/05/2021 1:14 PM
What a putrid individual
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Not just any "buddy". (edited)
13:15
I suspect that Lothar tries to cover Lister's back.
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Also think more people will be involved in this, it'll eventually hit the entire doom community
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First, he threatens everyone one the server with a ban if the discussion Lister started is continued, then he refrains from punishing Lister.
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90 messages????
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I should have kicked Lister's ass out of the server when I got the chance, but I got confused and I was in hurry so I he got away scotfree, dammit.
13:17
Yeah... that much happened.
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(he got away of course)
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HeliosDrive 02/05/2021 1:18 PM
Silver lining is more documentation opportunities whenever Lister gets shirty in the chat.
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He quit the server?
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And of course, the fact that Lister tries to do his laundry not on his server is repulsive enough. (edited)
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Everybody needs to understand what lister is really attempting, even lothar, or maybe he already knows
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That most funny think is that Lister does all of this without any provocation from on the part of anyone on the Schism server. (edited)
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I also spot people like eagle there
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Probably cos many there are involved with LSD
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As he tries to behave like the place is his private court because of his clout on Lothar, he is just making his situation worse.
13:21
What a buffoon.
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Most bigger people in the LSD server is in Schism.
13:21
Also, I never saw Lothar act that slimy, very pathetic
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Rofl, I'm still being mentioned.
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Then he goes to DMs with Zero, thinking he will have even more power in one-on-one conversation, and basically threatens him.
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shotfan how much does the schism server mean to you?
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Fortunately Zero is not an idiot, and is a buddy of mine in turn 😄
13:23
Zero does not know for now, but he is supicious of Lister and Lothar already.
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@Fluffy Not much.
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I am ready to get the fuck out of there today if Lothar tries some underhanded tactic on me as I try to press him on the question he is still dodging.
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Maybe just ignore everything about lister and continue to be there if you can
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Ace Moderator: Shotfan
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👌
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it's obvious that lothar wants to keep him there
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HeliosDrive 02/05/2021 1:25 PM
Given Doomkrakken's accurate description of Listeronum as subscriptionware, I highly doubt that any large portion of the Doom community would be sympathetic of Lister or his actions
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So, what do you think would be the best course of action?
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HeliosDrive 02/05/2021 1:25 PM
Especially when all of his homophobic comments get wider attention.
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Risk a ban by invoking the collusion question again, or keep hushhush and observe?
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Maybe wait for him to pull another shitshow, talk through the mods in the staff channel and boot him out
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I mean. If Lothar is that slimy, you should not be with him
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So push forward I believe
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Wouldn't you agree?
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That or if you were intending to leave the server then make sure to get as much out of lothar as possible
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Also, shotfan... I think I have an useful screenshot to corner him.
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That is what I was thinking as I have been collecting these screenshots, Frax.
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Lemme take it
13:27
From the man himself Lister
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Doomkrakkan is also there and he also knows what's up
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HeliosDrive 02/05/2021 1:27 PM
I'd say keep it low until the next big incident. If Lothar tries all he can to keep Lister on board in spite of blantant rule-breaking and multiple warnings, I think your question will have been answered on the relationship between the two.
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If nothing works
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Use this nuke
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Lister clearly pointing at Lothar
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Tell us when you choose
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I'm off everything Doom so you can just say I gave them to you noticing you were moderator on Schism
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Are you still a mod there shotfan?
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As well as doomkrakkan?
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Krakken is not a moderator there iirc
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Just has the Legend role... like Lister.
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Oh ok
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No perks, only golden name.
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I am still a moderator there, yeah.
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I swear if I could send a message to all brutal doomers it would be to stay the hell away from lister
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DoomKrakken has a Legend role, which is a honorary badge to fellow Doom modders.
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I swear if I could send a message to all brutal doomers it would be to stay the hell away from lister
...not like they deserve it--
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Jk
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He is not a moderator.
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That is why he contacted Zero in DMs.
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I see
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I need to think.
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I will let you know later what I am going to do.
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So what is happening rn in the server? Is it calm or are they all still arguing?
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Lothar hasn't removed your mod role yet which is surprising
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Just to know
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Calm.
13:42
Lothar apparently treats me as an idiot.
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I will be later, I will have to decide what to do with him. (edited)
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All right.
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Great, I was busy practically the whole day and now it is night.
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Anyways, I am intending to confront Lothar tomorrow in this case.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/06/2021 2:35 AM
Feeling like this sting operation's reaching its climax
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I knew Anime Punk being in the EOA server meant no good
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He's still there iirc
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Who?
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/06/2021 2:35 AM
Anime punk
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The guy who got punted off Secreta for being a cunt
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But anyways, Since a full-on Doom modder's beginning to piss on the hole Lister's dug himself into then I feel this is the prime moment where the rest of the community begins to know
02:38
Either that or Krakken gets doxxed 😐
02:39
Well I mean at least we know where to go to get a few drinks with him after all of this shit's over
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How they can do that?
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/06/2021 2:39 AM
They'll find a way
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I am tired of scammers poisoning gaming communities.
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They should crawl back to their holes.
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HeliosDrive 02/06/2021 3:11 AM
Don't worry. If Krakken does indeed get doxxed, I'm positive that the rest of the Doom community will descend upon lister and his crony cabal like a pack of hungry wolves.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/06/2021 3:26 AM
And then after that we can visit his place for a coupl'a beers
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/06/2021 4:10 PM
so uh
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anything else happened
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Yeah shotfan ain't logging in...
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/06/2021 7:00 PM
shit
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that's a problem
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wonder where did he go
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I think he'll just log in later...
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Here I am.
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Before I do a move, I need to do a question here.
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What exactly is illegal in Listerium?
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You said that selling it breaks GPL-2?
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Or is it general GPL?
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It is about the requirement of publishing source code of anything that is to be sold? (edited)
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The GPL-2 license says you cannot sell stuff made by forking without opening the source, yes.
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It corners Lister, because he has to either make the port free or release the source.
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So Doom sourceports now fall under GPL-2?
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ZDoom derivatives, yes.
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There are two different releases of the Doom source code with different licenses, but the one ZDoom forked off of was the GPL-2 one.
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What have you decided to do?
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For example, if you distribute copies of such a program, whether gratis or for a fee, you must give the recipients all the rights that you have. You must make sure that they, too, receive or can get the source code. And you must show them these terms so they know their rights.
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This, you mean?
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Polyzium told me as much
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I suppose that the preamble is lawfully valid.
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I want to go and ask Lothar what the intends to do about Lister doing his crap on the server.
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However, I am not intending to use the nuclear option you gave me yet.
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Just a warning, he fully approves Li$ter's gloating
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In fact he partakes in the circlejerk in the russian channel of Schism
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And they actively mock their playground enemies there
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Yeah yeah, I do not expect him to change his mind.
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Does not help that I do not understand Cyrillic languages.
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I feel that they might be talking behind the backs of the non-Cyrillic speaking staff with impunity.
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They certainly do.
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You can use Google Translate.
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It worked for me.
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Some are broken, but quite a few
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are actually understandable!
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Here we go. I asked Lothar just now. Will see what is his response.
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inb4 he bans you on the spot
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Silence.
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Figures.
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Unless he is not online...?
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Or AFK.
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He is online, I checked.
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AFK457
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He has been active today.
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And this is Saturday.
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He really likes soap operas it seems.
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But he is not fooling anyone...
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Mayonnaise > Soap operas
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Maybe he is having an emergency meeting with Lister and his cronies, haha
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Lothar sus!!!!!
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[AMONG US MOMENTS]
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[AMONG US MOMENTS] LOTHAR SUS? (TURNED GAY) (TURNED SUS) (DEAD BODY FOUND IN O2)
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Response: he will read the shit I posted on screenshots now.
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Another time buying bluff again?
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What does that even mean? I don't get it
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He says he'll chide Li$ter later? (edited)
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So he said he had read that, and he wanted another question about it.
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So I sent him this:
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What do you intend to do with a guy that: - Broke rule II by misusing our server for slandering people in public; - Broke rule IV by insulting Doomkrakken and Zero; - Is a repeat offender to using our server to do witchhunts on his bad publicity; - Made vague threats via DMs to one of our moderators, Zero; And, you still have not explained why he calls you your "buddy" in this tract?(edited)
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Looks like he is trying to gauge my stance, and what I can possibly know about his deals with Lister. (edited)
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Keep low profil e and give no clues until he threatens you with ban or demotion or whatever
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Mind you, I am conducting this conversation in the staff channel, so everyone maintaining the server can see it.
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I am not giving him the comfort of DMs.
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Very well
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He is probably doing another counsel with Lister as we speak.
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If you can, at least copy the message history from the original inquiry onwards on a text file, it might help
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Yeah, no screenshots available for me this time.
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Give me a moment
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Alright, captured the new messages to Word. The rest of the relevant stuff from this channel I had already saved on the screenshots I relayed here yesterday.
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And still no response...
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Does someone have an ominous thriller theme to play here? 😄
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Oh wait. Are you 100% certain all other moderators will agree to you pushing Lothar about that, or could at least one of them be part of the Lister group?
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I have no such support, nope.
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Only Zero does.
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I am on good terms with two more max, the rest I do not know well.
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No I don't mean necessarily support, just that nobody will object
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Nobody else is picking up the bone.
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Neither pro or contra.
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Fine enough
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Again, only Zero bothered to support me one time, as I have on that screenshot I posted yesterday. ("ANSWER THE QUESTION MASON")
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If Lothar freaks out and bans me, I am considering asking Zero to be my informer from that point.
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I noticed Lister talks like a broken record
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Yeah no shit
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I NO KNOW ENRISHU WELLO
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Well fuck off, just like Bluuwolfy said.
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What wou ld you do if he just decides to sleep on it indefinitely?
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Call out on his extended time bullshit, use more arguments, demand a vote (we do votes for kicks and bans)...
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He might be trying to capitalize on the fact that I am the only one bothering him, intending to outlast me again.
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Well, no such luck...
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Anyways, I need to do a short break. I will be back in about half an hour.
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Alright
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BULLSHIT
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Well I didn't see that he call me buddy, can't find it literally [21:01] however, generally, nothing. I'll talk to him, but I'm not sure that punishing him will be a good move. Actually, I'm almost sure it will be bad move. [21:03] also I'd like to see his DM with @YourpalZ3R0
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FUCKING BULLSHIT
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shit
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You now "cannot" find a "buddy", huh?
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what the fuck even is this (edited)
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"im almost sure it will be a bad move"
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a bad move was keeping you around as a mod (edited)
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I spoonfed him the screenshots.
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Bullshit May Drop: Special Edition
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Including the one where Doomkrakken claims that he tried to warn Lothar about Lister's scam.
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Translate me this: Тебе не стоит копать так далеко...
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@Raov can... lemme use google tho
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Nah I'm here
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"You shouldn't dig [yourself a grave] this far/deep..."
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HAHAHHAHAHHAHA
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Dreo wrote this, one of devs of Schism
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Yeah that is what I found too
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Dreo... Dreo Dreo Dreo... can't quite put my fi mg er on it but I believe he was in the LSD server.
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What does it refer to?
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Why are you letting him pull this shit on Zero? [21:47] Why are you letting him go free after all this shit he pulled in here?
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This is what I wrote after the screendump. To this Dreo replied with this threat.
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Cat is out of the bag.
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Wait wait, why did he use russian then?
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Idfk (edited)
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What if he is talking to Lothar about his unsafe policies?
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In mean in his slimeballing
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No idea, Lothar is silent.
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Zero joined the conversation in the meantime.
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Now Dreo denied that being a threat when Zero asked him about that Russian quote.
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Great
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Except it's a full on fucking threat
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You can attempt saying a russian friend translated it for you
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and calling him out on that bs
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I am playing ignorance.
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Not sure what to do now.
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Tomorrow I got a whole day free, do we go offensive?
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I may press on and ask him what he wants about Doomkrakken's claims that Lister himself reposted.
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The russian threat definitely sticks out imho, egen I would reseach that oddity
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And I still have that screenshot Frax gave me as the final attack.
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You can call out Dreo without arousing direct suspicion to knowing more than you seem to
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I already called him out on using Russian in an English channel.
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I think that is enough.
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I guess so, you can't just backtrack like that
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They know I do not read Cyrillic.
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Some of us do here
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But I know Slav.
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If you get what I mean.
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Blyat
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What was my screenshot about again? I forgot ._.
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Oof
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Zero is getting suspicious too.
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Just said so to me via DM.
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I am not letting him know for now.
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Dreo again: У этой особи, пассивная агрессия на этот вид
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We on it baby
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I can probably get his real name from there
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but translate Dreo's thing now, it's important likely
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shotfan
Dreo again: У этой особи, пассивная агрессия на этот вид
"This species (singular) has a passive aggressive attitude towards this type."
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Not sure what he meant by that
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He is basically mocking shotfan.
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Btw translation is not very accurate
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Calling him an animal basically, if I may...
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Yeah that fits
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Okay the profile seems to be deleted
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Yeah sure
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Call me a subhuman
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I guess that Nazis taught you the concept?
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Anythi ng after that?
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Zero came with the same translation there.
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He brought Coole there and ordered him to read everything.
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Maybe I should do a group ping of moderators? (edited)
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Don't just yet
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Alright.
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Unless you are 100% sure they will protect you over Dreo
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Nope.
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I have no insurance.
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Very convenient Zero did it
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You'll be both not that suspicious AND have the perks of being able to call Dreo out on his trickery
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I just want to know why are we doing nothing about this *individual*? (edited)
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I GOT IT BABY
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Is what you asked him again?
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Real name: Andrei Yuklyaevskiy, lives in Rostov-Na-Donu
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Yall can drop the bomb on him at any time (edited)
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Okay there are other matches
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Like Anton Prihozhiy in Moscow
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And Yevgeniy Anisimov in Murmansk (edited)
Frax314 pinned a message to this channel. 02/07/2021 12:22 AM
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Sonuva, why don't ya get a job as a detecti ve????
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Grand job
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Checking the websites the image was found on rn
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Any updates shotfan?
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Yevgeniy might be a better match
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Found one of his profiles on a Russian social network, asked for some >115 level players
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And knowing a Twitter acc with his nickname had a fuck ton of game posts
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It is way more likely
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That we got a match
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Which games
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Idfk some tower defense
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That is fundamental
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Hmmmmmm
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Btw DoB: December 25th 1984
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I don't recall him liking Tower Defense im any shape or form
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In fact he is a huge fan of "protect yourself"...
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Lister149 was his nickname right
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@Frax314 the game is paradise island
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Judt Li$ter. Sometimes with *s at the beginning and end
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But never a number
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I found some other nicknames related to him with maltego
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Also that... DEFINITELY isn't a game he 'd pla y.
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But abything more in Schism @shotfan?
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He also plays Dead Defense on Facebook apparently
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Also that... DEFINITELY isn't a game he 'd pla y.
Well this is his account
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Fake name and handle check out
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And both his VK and Twitter profiles have a similar date of their first post
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Okay, found a vk profile with a matching name and picture
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But it's a different guy
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He's got 8.9k followers
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Lister definitely can't have that much
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Especially if it's his private acc
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Tbf, I doubt Lister uses that nickname outside of Doom.
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You never know, it was 9 years ago
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FYI if you see Monster Hunter yiu hit the jackpot.
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Yeah, that is what I replied to Dreo.
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Lothar is writing right now
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Hm second image he has on his acc is of some American guy
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So definitely out of question
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shotfan
Lothar is writing right now
ON THE NEXT EPISODE OF DRAGONBALL Z
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Welcome to the worst soap opera in the Doom community! (edited)
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Soup opera is morw accurate lol
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Coole has said nothing...
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Well, I guess he is not going to support me.
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Wait wait. Coole is the guy wirh the knigjt pfp that:s qquite close to Lothar right?
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or is he farther fro m him than I think?
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Yeah, the same crusader-type avatar, also an administrator.
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He has known Lothar for some time.
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Hard to gauge for me how close they are.
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Hmmmmmm, I am not sure but maybe I saw him om the LSD swrver... THE PLOT THICKENS
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But he is notable for being the only one to consistently criticize how the server is maintained.
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Stuff like not sufficient moderation, channel mess, and so on.
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But I do not know if he is a part of the collusion with Lister.
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He is Ukrainian, BTW. He makes no secret of that fact.
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Hmmmm
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He also likes trams very much.
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Okay I'm going to head out for the night
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Not much I can do in terms of deanonymization on a phone
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And I'm tired too
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Gn
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AHHHHHHHH
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We are just getting to the best part!
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You are not going to fucking believe it!
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sweet dreams chad
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What a fucking wall of text Lothar is posting
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Also what bullshit did he spew shotfan?
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Hold on
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Maybe a wall... or maybe a carefully -made straw.
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Jesus
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I need to chop this shit to fit under the character limit
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Just to be clear - Lister will stay here, he have special ability to do so. I'll explain why. I've seen his mod and his maps, both are absolutely fucking outstanding in matter of complexity and hacker value, that's true that no one in community is capable to do such things like he and his guys. I haven't seen his sourceport, but Lister is actually russian hacker, no shit, and I know that this thing is his passion, and he will give 100% of his skill and effort in it. He reworked Zandronum and GZDoom port in such way that his port have BOTH ZScript compatibility and fine optimized multiplayer, what in fact make his port actually killer of GZDoom and Zandronum (unless he will make it badly paid one). As well as he made this port work with multiple CPU cores and streams, not like GZDoom which use only one core and one stream. In same time he intended to collaborate with Painkiller (autor of PB) and Sergeant Mk IV in matter of providing multiplayer support of thier mods in his port - he calls it "authorisation". And I know that things he offer them will be much more valuable than fate of few random people like MiFu and others who crossed a way to Lister. I do know what will be the price for it, and this price will change powers in discord communities, because all this people who was against Lister and who spread rumors about him as one who doxing people and stuff, will have no place to hide in most of Doom related discords.
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[22:43] He is black horse on derby, most of people absolutely underestimating who the fuck he is, but sooner or later all will discover it. [22:46] Speaking of me and him - when I met him in russian doom community, first few weeks I just only talk with him on his own language, talking back to him in same offensive way he uses all the time, however he intrigued me and I gave a try to LSD, and must admit - in matter of code this mod is fucking something. No one is near to it in matter of complexity of gameplay mechanic and tricks in code. And they are proud of it. But Clusterfuck guys says that LSD guys steal something from them, when there is material evidences that Clusterfuck guys in fact steals by LSD guys (yes, I've seen it by my own eyes), and there is major drama about it [22:47] Because CF team accuses LSD team in stealing when in fact all the thing is fucking opposite. [22:48]
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And Lister is somehow sociopath who don't give a fuck about community and all other people and do whatever he want and with 0 care about feelings of people don't respected by him. [22:49] Also he and thier guys are watching over most of doom discords (CF, PB, BD, this one, and Embers of Armaggedon one) and collecting screens of things told about him and LSD in general. Only few people are aware about it, but I am. Lister was triggered by words said by DoomKrakken, and the shit begun [22:51] I know that Lister is literally renegade in community, because no one can stand his attitude, but I personally have respect to him because his works, and I think things happened to him because of all this rumors and stuff are unfair. NEW [22:51] All you guys know that Sergeant Mk IV is fucking banned from all doom forums. Is it fair? For me - no, not even fucking near to be fair.
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If he explains Listeronum to you... Just react genuin ely, I guess. As pissed as you were when I tokd you
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What the actual shit
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He is sucking his dick (edited)
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or ducking, whatever the fuck
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What a piece of idolatry
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Classic "he has one notable skill, that is why he can be an asshole"
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I need to piece my thoughts together
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Same with Lister. I know that he is banned from most of doom discords, and that's why I won't ban or kick him from Schism - because I don't want to be same degenerate as them. Yes, I don't like all mess and shit drama he making here from time to time, however for me it's question of greater justice to give him a place here despite his sins and words. [22:54] Also fun fact, I was in Clusterfuck discord, and was banned from it because of just literally fucking small talk about BLM [22:54] In which I said that George Floyd shouldn't be treat as hero. [22:54] They banned me because of it and delete all the messages about it. NEW [22:56] Another example - fucking @Lead Programmer of Schism was banned on PB until I warned PB mods that it's act of straight aggresion against Schism as project and so - against me personally. Suddenly, after it they changed thier mind. And also delete our conversation just because why not. But believe me, there is person who have screens of it. Feel free to guess who. [22:57] @shotfan @YourpalZ3R0 speaking of Lister personally and his style of talk - don't mind his offensive words, oftenly he don't intend to be as offensive as it sounds
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Oh look @iSpookulon
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He admitted it.
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Tell him you don't care.
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You know
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Maybe this is the time
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I do not know, I am not thinking clear right now
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But he experienced a lot of fucking disgusting injustice and his heart is literally full of hate to people who acts like mindless bitches, and I can understand him. In fact I understood him less before my ban on CF and ban of @Dreo in PB, but after it - I do more.
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Net screwing me over rn
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Tell him that is god damn irrelevant
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To what has transpired in the server
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If he keeps that kinf of talk, rebeal your knowledge on Listeronum and call him out on cocksuckery.
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Anyone else has an opinion on this?
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I need to gather the today transcript from this channel.
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Maybe I will got a little more calm by then
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Thrre is @Fluffy onlin e.
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Coole's response: So yeah lothar said why
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Crony confirmed.
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That leaves Zero and MAYBE one other moderator to back me up (the other one is not involved in this now).
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"I've been you, I know you, your facade is a scam"
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Tbh, this is where you go guns blazing if you will
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Or better yet...
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Nah
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I was thinking stupid
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Oh this doesn't look good
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Read what happend today, Fluffy, if you can.
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Yeah
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You know
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Do you know how much scum there was put in LSD itself?
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And the source port?
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Not at all.
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High levels
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With what Lothar said, your screenshot is not going to be very effective unfortunately @Frax314
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Yeah I know.
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He is going to deflect it saying that it means nothing important
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But...
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You can use the others.
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While they get a confirmation that I know what is up.
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Which may be more effective.
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Jist do a search for my posted images im this group chat
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He uses the "price" two times in the final response, but he can again claim that does not mean a pricetag.
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then use m y screensho t of him saying the prices.
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It'll all be over.
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Rrmember to just say a friend entrusted you with it when leaving the community ;P
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I can just say that my sources are none of his business.
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Hopefully lister doesn't lurk in the nexus server
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He is e ve rywhere.
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That's my server and my friends, he needs to stay out of that shit
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Except HM, hehe
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But in HM there's one of his, Annihilator 667.
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Oh fuck
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Not good then
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Speaking of which, I forgot to tell you to ban him, Fluffy
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Just do it
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Is kicking not enough?
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Not sure.
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Sheesh
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Just so you know
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If I pull out the pricetag, Zero is inevitably joining.
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I mean first off HM has nothing to do with lister and co, but if it's for protection fine
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I need to respond to Lothar's drivel of whoreshipping Lister
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Joining the group chat you mean?
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Or whatever new server idk
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Zero can join. Just go all out.
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Yeah.
Fluffy pinned a message to this channel. 02/07/2021 1:18 AM
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Annd remember that nothing can excuse what Lister & co. have done.
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Whoops.
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id dunno what i pinned
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Of course
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Tablet slow
Fluffy pinned a message to this channel. 02/07/2021 1:18 AM
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I do not care
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Wtf again
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That was me
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Oh lel
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Just pinning some info for reading later
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All right
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Fyi, almost midnight here and tablet charge running out (bad habit of vonsuming it whole). Maay be absent later.
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So what ex actly you gon do shotfan?
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So he calls him a sociopath, a renegade, is doing him greater justice...
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Where do I even start to torn this shit down like Berlin Wall
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I am fucking repulsed at how much Lister's cum is in this text coming from Lothar's mouth
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Lister reminds me of hitler
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I getting more pissed off by every minute and my ability to write coherently is balancing on a high rope
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Lister is Hitler with petty reasons
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😛
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yup lol
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I am just wondering should I just slam the door and leave the server myself
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Or force Lothar to kick me out
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"If you like Lister so much then why don't you have him as a moder ator instead of us?"
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but eu nah
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Actually.
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Skip the moral part of his speech, and just prove wrong what is effectively a lie.
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What?
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Where there is no way to just say "but you gotta know him"y
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What do you mean?
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For example you said he said the prices were not a pricetag
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But you have a screenshot proving otherwise.
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My head is full of everything right now
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No he did not
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He just used prices in a vague way
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Eave the "justice" part out for now. Focus on the "real" stuff, if you get what I mean.
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Yeah not really
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I just do not want to be there anymore
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I am sick of this gay orgy
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Do you know how it smells there?
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Doo it the cool way: spam the incriminating screenshots throughout all channels :DDDDD
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Jk. Unlesd you want to fr.
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I am still in stunlock.
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This fucking community.
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No kidding.
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All this slimeballing over vidya gaems.
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Those people have all the pride and no spine.
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Correction: there is no pride without a spine.
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Just various degrees of cocksucking.
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And that one is 8/10 (edited)
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9/10 from my POV.
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Annihilator got booted
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Because of how naturally he hung out with them before
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Good
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You know what
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Anecdote time
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Lothar did some painting for the presidential cabinet of my country
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Of former president
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kekw sus
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Because the party of former and current president is the same
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So whatever it is, it seems like he just likes to get friends with power
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Inb4 Lister is Putin gaming
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I could tell you about the party, but sufficient to say that are not anything better than a typical postcommunist power clique
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I thought that he did that only as an artist, but...
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After today's experience, I am not so sure.
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Ohhh right
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And he is now preparing to cozy up with Romero
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Cute
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Well, you can get to call him out on that...
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Apparently - as he said in DMs - he intends to remake Schism into a standalone game using Romero's support. (edited)
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Wjat the fuck
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Wht the fuck
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I wonder who gave him the idea, huh?
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What the fuckkkkk
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Can you expose him on Romero's discord nefore it is too late?
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you cannot prolong consonants
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I know.
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I am nobody there
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I only have my word
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Alriht I ought to check out now. GOott a get some sleep.
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do w hat you find just.
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Seriously? What the fuck is this? You are letting him be because of totally unrelated reasons? You are indulging at cronyism because he impressed you with some Doom programming? Do you know that nobody is free of moral judgement, no matter how expert they are at whatever skill? You call him a hacker, a sociopath and a renegade, and also a person full of hate, yet you let him do whatever he pleases here, because of some sick love you have for him? So you let him break whatever rule he wants because you want to give him some hideout or some other shit? Is this Schism server, or Lister’s soapbox? And why I should even care about what went down at Clusterfuck or PB at all? We are talking about what happened in our server! And those prices – so, Doomkrakken was right? Lister does in fact want to sell his sourceport? Where is your integrity?
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I need to log out.
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If I am booted by tomorrow, I do not care.
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Might be a good idea to stay out of it at this point
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Cos
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I haven't seen anything so controversial than this in the doom community
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Best not to be a part of it
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Do anything that's necessary in the shadows
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And arguing with lister and his "buddies" is just like talking to a mirror
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*wall
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Wall not mirror lol
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sorry
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But yeah
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Maybe doomkrakkan can do something when it comes to arguments
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Isn't he a trusted zdoom modder or guide?
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He also likes trams very much.
Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/07/2021 3:45 AM
This is critical information. Pin it
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But in HM there's one of his, Annihilator 667.
Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/07/2021 3:47 AM
w-WHAT
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THE BLADE OF AGONY DEV'S A LISTER CRONY?
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Fluffy
Click to see attachment 🖼️
Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/07/2021 3:48 AM
Heh
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But anyways this seems like it's reaching a boiling point
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lmk if I can finally tell the QCDE Discord about it
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Knowing all of this
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I'm starting to think if the doom com is coming to an end
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The whole lister situation has spread a lot, making this listeronum stuff seem like a real deal (edited)
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Idk how many people would like to use his services, hence there's so many who knows the bad things and frankly, doom mods are free and not behind a paywall (edited)
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Spreading the word with all the proof needed and such might also just escalate things even worse, but it's worth an attempt on stopping something
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Still
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TSPG offers free server hosting which is already great, zandronum itself is outdated which is also being slowly worked on
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And it's exactly what lister wants to target and bring down by offering a better version
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If there were more people like doomkrakkan though i'd see the light
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Also we TSPG still had britsteel
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Not sure if it'll ever come back
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/07/2021 3:59 AM
I already asked in the QCDE Discord if paid Doom sourceports sounded like a good idea and one of them said:
Imagine paying for the base and then paying to play the base game That's some EA shit right there
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They need to understand that this could happen anytime this year
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Stuff suddendly turned into an absurd pay system
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With content that was not made by them, content that was stolen (edited)
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Hopefully it'll turn out like fallout frontier, except it won't ever return
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A mod that turned out so controversial they had to remove it
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HeliosDrive 02/07/2021 4:02 AM
It'll recieve several key strikes to the nuts once the Doom community has Lister's shit revealed to them.
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Especially his modding White and Blacklists that he's had built-in, which see to unfairly benefit or screw over certain mods and modders respectively.
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yeah what the hell
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@shotfan Is doomkrakkan trustworthy?
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if so maybe you could invite him here
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HeliosDrive 02/07/2021 4:06 AM
We'd have to make a full-on server for that
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Since this group DM has hit the 10-user capacity.
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ok
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Didn't know
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Having to create a server especially for this would require top protection
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aldentifier and such
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Or just only invites allowed by the server owner
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HeliosDrive 02/07/2021 4:09 AM
Ofc
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Restricted invite privileges, invitation of trusted individuals only.
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And if someone threatens to, or does indeed snitch, contingency plans are engaged.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/07/2021 4:11 AM
Well I'll definitely just wait for the cue to spill the beans in the QCDE Discord
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HeliosDrive 02/07/2021 4:14 AM
I'd personally wait until Listeronum is released before spilling anything.
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Since it would allow for the opportunity for people to attempt to reverse-engineer Source Port before Lister inevitably delists it once all the shit about him comes out.
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Wouldn't want him to be hogging all that creative potential for himself, now would we?
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You have the source port? (edited)
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Well
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In any case this isn't gonna be easy
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new info on lister (edited)
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found some gameplay videos on his vk profile, and they are VERY recenbt
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so @Frax314 maybe youre wrong that he wouldnt play paradise island
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this game dates all the way back to 2018 on his profile videos too
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup
THE BLADE OF AGONY DEV'S A LISTER CRONY?
No, that's Tormentor667.
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Do not worry.
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Hopefully it'll turn out like fallout frontier, except it won't ever return
Not really, the best case scenario would be Lister giving up and making the port and source code free
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But knowing him, he won't...
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If his port is half as good as he claims it to be, it'd still probably wreck the competition were it not surrounded by this shadiness.
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No, that's Tormentor667.
Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/07/2021 12:46 PM
oh ok
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Frax314
Tbh, this is where you go guns blazing if you will
i am so fucking ready to get those guns on pristine condition
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This incident pretty much shows everything that went wrong with the Doom community
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- Tribal, split community - Overreliance on a single person for each "tribe" - Lack of an universally recognized sourceport, leading to thirst for a new one
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okay i need a refresher
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when is listeronum scheduled to release (edited)
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March is the point where the thing has released earlier if before that month, later if it released after
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But somehow I doubt they will release it exactly in March.
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i found yet another city
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Perm (edited)
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thats under the Andrey name though (edited)
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@Frax314 can you give me ALL known accounts of lister? im digging deep
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Li$ter#9979, Discord.
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The youtube account I already sent you.
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yeah thats indexed already
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I do not know other certain accounts.
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alright
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so only discord and yt?
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Yeah If Zandronum required accounts I could help you with that, but it's fully anonymous
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andrey yuklyaevskiy looks like a better pick now
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a vk profile i found actually states harkov, a ukranian city
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and looking at his main vk profile he is defo ukranian
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I'm pretty sure he is russian.
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Always claimed to be.
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lemme look over his profile again
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he has some pics from moscow
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hm
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okay found more pics
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Also doesn't Ukrain have a language different from Russian?
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slightly
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but yes
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actually most ukranians study both ukranian and russian
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So technically less than Portuguese:Spanish ratio, right?
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probably
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another guess: Denis Bestov, in Novosibirsk
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born in Dec 18th
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found another nickname: listerr616
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has a askfm page, stated as living in moscow
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one of the screenshots from his vk page
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see the dead something 2 logo in the notification bar? (edited)
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his twitter stated that he played the thing
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confirming the link between him and the twitter account
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a receipt from a kfc in moscow he posted
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yeah he definitely lives in moscow
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oh yeah he for sure played paradise island
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the status bar icon again (edited)
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a receipt from a kfc in moscow he posted
Will he port Listeronum to the KFConsole?????
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found another twitter account
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okay no doesnt exist (edited)
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Tbh. I doubt he has a Twitter account.
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Considering how edgily politically incorrect he is...
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OKAY I THINK I JUST GOT HIS FULL ADDRESS
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Moscow, Anokhin Academic street 30, apartment complex 2, ap. 315 (edited)
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name is ofc fake, this is included in the same post
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tell him something like "this look familiar?"
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We are not creeps
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i didnt mean right now (edited)
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but if and when shit hits the fan (edited)
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2 more hits Anton Prikhozhy and Anatoly Fomin (edited)
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first profile is absolutely littered with shady ways of earning money on the internet (edited)
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Hmmmmmmm
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okay, time for some social engineering i think (edited)
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@Frax314 you got any ideas on how to get lister to click on a link?
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...what?
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Why
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Bruh. Not that far.
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As I said, we don't NEED his real self at all.
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but its for manipulation
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i want him to regret what he did
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We are fighting specifically his appearance in the Doom community, the man behind the screen can do all he wants as long as he stops bothering everyone.
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Also, just tell me what you intend to do.
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okay, tl;dr get his current IP and picture from his webcam if he has one
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picture is gonna be used to see if the name i got was right
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You think he is that dumb?
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nah he aint
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neither am i
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im going to mask it thoroughly
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Listen We aren't gonna get his true name nor face We just ought to get some vague real info on him so if we make a doc or something, he gets scared seeing it if we get it right. That's all.
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>he gets scared seeing it if we get it right
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exactly why i need a fresh pic of him
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his profiles are VERY scarce on images
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But it is not something we should go directly looking for, just something we find searching around about him.
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This is the screenshot of Lothar's response yesterday.
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I am online now, just in invisible status.
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Fresh sitrep:
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Zero is supporting me in the channel, saying basically the same as I did in that message of mine I gave you before logging out.
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Two other staff members - Prometheus and tovRobi - are now also against letting Lister do his shit in Schism server. (edited)
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Lothar still defends Lister like a victim of Stockholm's Syndrome, claims that what he knows about the guy is enough to abrogate of responsibility.
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He also asked me and Zero do download LSD an try it. For what? Possibly in hopes that I get involved into their little gang?
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Also - and that is weird - Lothar is now considering actually making a punishment on Lister for the whole situation.
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I was ready yesterday to get the fuck of there, but now it seems that Lothar is still underestimating how pissed off I got.
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Currently thinking about what to do, with a cooler head. (edited)
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I have an idea.
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Go and try LSD. Then mock Lothar because it's a stupid randomizer.
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That'll do them in if you want to.
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Do idkfa, show the BFG15k with the shitty sprite (the Q3 Rocket Launcher rip).
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LSD does a shitty initial impression...
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Also, Prometheus and Lothar got into a semantic discussion about what a hacker is. And Lothar claims that being a criminal is not a bad thing if you live in Russia (and pirate everything, context says). (edited)
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I will try to do a new batch of screenshots right now.
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Anyway, I gotta leave for a while now. Take my idea in consideration...
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I do not care about LSD, goes without saying.
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I will get the screencaps first, then think what next.
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As a heads-up, you can also strengthen your alliance with Zero by seeing LSD togheter and pointing out togheter its main flaws.
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For the "what the actual fuck is he talking about?" factor aganist Lothar.
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Get ready for another screen dump. Almost thrity images.
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Here comes the Lothar's response again... Reposting it for continuity.
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That is all.
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@Fluffy Frax talked with Doomkrakken earlier, but the latter was not interested coming in here. Besides, we are at full capacity for a group DM. (edited)
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Maybe I will contact him myself later on though? He should remember me.
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Nice to see it seems most moderators are helping you.
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I am thinking about cooling down the topic and just focusing on the immediate punishment, since Lothar finally proposed it.
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Maybe that is a test for him to check out how hostile we are to Lister?
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Ah I see what he means by hack there, just Lister's more impressive ACS workarounds...
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""hacker""
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Maybe that is a test for him to check out how hostile we are to Lister?
Sadly, quite litterally anything less than a ban will do anything.
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🤔
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If he was still not considering anything, then I would throw my "badge".
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But now, it is not as clear.
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He made a step backwards, essentially giving me the attention I wanted.
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It is not a good time for the nuke option, I do not have enough support.
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Holy shit the wording on this is on point He's describing Russia exactly how it is rn
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It feels like a den of snakes.
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Alright I gtg for now, choose your next move carefully. You could elegantly tell him that he can be not like Russia and thus not let him get off scot-free...
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go ahead and tell zero it ain't a language barrier, he has exhibited similar attitude to others in Russian
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I think that I am going to advocate for a final warning.
20:20
One more and ban.
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go ahead and tell zero it ain't a language barrier, he has exhibited similar attitude to others in Russian
Yes, that'd be excellent! Even Google Translate painted his russian words exactly the same way as his english ones...
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Still get shivers from that...
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One more and ban.
Yeah, so that he and Li$ter himself can just laugh it off in PMs.
20:21
That will do nothing.
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So do we act?
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A "ban him or ban/demote us" ultimatum would be more effective.
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THEN it will get serious.
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If he's so selective about punishment, then why even have moderators?
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I gtg again... this is the decisive moment, don't fuck up and don't let it slide off easy. If you can't punish Li$ter, punish Lothar another way at least...
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Yeah I know he is not going to punish Lister.
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I can pack my shit, but that makes it one problem less for them.
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And I am not sure this is the time to post the prices.
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Am back online
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Also, what you need to do is convince the other moderators to also agree to the ultimatum.
20:53
So that he either fires good part of the moderation team (I doubt he will...), or lets Li$ter get banned.
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I am not betting on that.
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Maybe two people max would go with me. And there are at least 8 moderators now, not counting whoever the fuck has a "special status".
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That is not going to impede them much. (edited)
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I do not see a good option here.
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Giga thonk hours
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Also, I have been there for a short time, just a few months. Whereas Lothar may have known most of the crew for a way longer time.
21:12
I am think that I am a non-Cyrillic outsider to his clique.
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He will just grab moderator replacements from wherever he pleases, but Lister will stay. (edited)
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Do you think that there is enough to gain if I stay there?
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By the way, I am not telling Zero that Lister is an asshole in any language, because I cannot read his Russian posts myself, so I should not know that. (edited)
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(*Anything to gain)
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By the way, I am not telling Zero that Lister is an asshole in any language, because I cannot read his Russian posts myself, so I should not know that. (edited)
send me any posts you are interested in for me to translate
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or i can pick some that are the nastiest myself (edited)
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Well, you can do that, but it not like the knowledge is going to be credible on my part.
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Zero would just need to know it all.
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Just say you asked a russian friend
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Which is 100% accurate...
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It won't make you suspect in ANY way.
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Just do it.
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Maybe you can then expose it and Dreo's foul play to get other moderators with you.
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Lister already has been an asshole on the server, the language issue is inconsequential.
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The very act of doing slander on Doomkrakken is grevious enough.
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But you can show me examples.
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You can still expose Dreo. You know you'll get the other moderators' help if you find out one of the devs called you a fucking animal and said you buried yourself.
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They would call it a backtrack and deflect it as unimportant comment.
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One quote about digging is not going to do much. I already replied to the other, just before Lothar responded.
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https://vk.com/wall124991252_9357 post caption: heres a sensitive bitch whoever wants to know her: [link] - some random kid = lister -do you do minecraft vids? =wha? -do you play minecraft? i do! hello? =what -hey so do you know minecraft =what the fuck do you want from me -what? =what? -im not dead i didnt understand alright cya =what do you want from me? -im sensitive (in female context) =sensitive huh -im not a girl i typo'd =well, i dont know mate so you dont even know why youre fucking with me? -so whats your age? im 9 =im 8 are you sure youre sensitive? -thats something you cant forget (??????????? even i dont understand what the kid said there)
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Hmm...
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https://vk.com/wall124991252_9357 post caption: heres a sensitive bitch whoever wants to know her: [link] - some random kid = lister -do you do minecraft vids? =wha? -do you play minecraft? i do! hello? =what -hey so do you know minecraft =what the fuck do you want from me -what? =what? -im not dead i didnt understand alright cya =what do you want from me? -im sensitive (in female context) =sensitive huh -im not a girl i typo'd =well, i dont know mate so you dont even know why youre fucking with me? -so whats your age? im 9 =im 8 are you sure youre sensitive? -thats something you cant forget (??????????? even i dont understand what the kid said there)
what?
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one of his posts that i promised to translate
21:42
tl;dr lister being a fuckin butthurt
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just like he is rn
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I do not know either.
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Okay I don't think we're on the same page
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What did you not know
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I mean, I do not know what to do.
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I can fire now and demand a ban, and Lothar is going to most likely ignore it.
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I could also demand a vote, likely to be lost.
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If I do either, I guess I could leave the staff (if not the server), but that is not going to do much - their little clique that covers Lister will stay in place.
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I am corresponding with another moderator right now, that is not fine with what happened.
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They are not sure. Not giving me a firm answer for now.
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Looks like I cannot gather enough support for a moderator revolution...
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Seems that is what left to do is do my response and demand a vote on Lister's punishment.
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Oh wait
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@ȽʘɌƉ ȽʘŦḢɅɌ "אֵלִיָּהוּ" Li$ters behavior is completely out of line, this server exist for Schism and holy community of unholy DOOM (not it's petty dramas or stories). Without your intervention, this server is doomed to become a shithole for li$ters own personal drama which should be confined to his own server. Please see reason on this :RIP: [20:10] I respect this man's modding efforts tremendously, but that is all and is separate entirely from this server (edited)
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It is that moderator I just talked with, Scallysinx.
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Anyone here? Looks like I need to come out of the shadows right now.
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We cannot tolerate this abusive conduct of Lister any longer. Lister has misused our server too many times. I do not care how good he is at making Doom sourceports or anything else – he needs to respect the rules like everyone else. This behaviour needs to stop already. On my part, I suggest a final warning, but only because he has not been warned before. If he repeats his offenses yet again – any of them – that should be a ban.
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Alright, so you chose...
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I hope that there will be enough moderator traction to do anything about this. (edited)
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I do not feel that I had enough power for more drastic measures. (edited)
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Fine enough.
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Let's hope for the best...
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No updates yet?
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The only thing that happened is Prometheus saying that he agrees with me. (edited)
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What an accursed week...
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anything else?
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Alright, so I guess it's over... till next time Lister bursts
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Tell Zero what you think you want to tell him I guess
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Prometheus just announced on the server that he is leaving the moderator role.
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The cause he has given is entering college soon.
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Interesting...
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I am suspecting that he might have more reasons.
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But I cannot be sure one way or another, and I do not know him well enough to ask him directly.
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I would not investigate
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At most keep him informed if Li$ter tries his shit again AND gets off scot-free again.
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I'd love to, but can't
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And I'm exhausted after the lister deanon anyways
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Not what I mean
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Anyway
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Imma pin the info I dug up for easy access in an "emergency"
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We will see if Li$ter and Lothar are tighly-knit enough that the former doesn't make the latter look like a buffoon...
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I have watched a little of LSD and I saw nothing special.
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I will fill you in
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Having played it a lot myself
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- Ridiculously artificial hardcore gameplay - Some cool features with the monsters, like ACS-powered AI on some bosses - An inventory menu on Zandronum (but other mods did that as well...)
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Basically, everyone in Lister's circlejerk overrates it a shit ton.
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And they will get mad if you just say you saw nothing special, hehe
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If you have any questions on it just ask me
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You'll need to be prepared if you ever need to argument about it...
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They like to bully people who naturally don't know anything of the mod as if they're supposed to
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LSD > LSD
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I'm back once again
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tha boi is back
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i suggest you read pinned msgs
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Hi Polyzium. A lot has happened recently. (edited)
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a lot is an understatement tbh
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I am thinking of asking Lothar what is his decision in the case of Lister. It is absurd enough that nothing has happened six days after the offense.
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I know what to expect though...
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And that makes me wonder: if nothing will be done, should I not just resign as a moderator.
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Just wait for Lister to do his thing again.
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Trust me, he will somehow.
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THEN you'll be able to call out Lothar on his bullshit and have 100% support from the non-lackey moderators.
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Imho that's what you should do.
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Well I can do hold for now. (edited)
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I will still ask him Lothar today and see his response.
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I have not seen Lister being active on the server since that infamous event, maybe he is laying low for the time being. (edited)
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OK so my phone was almost stolen a week ago lol
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Fucking army
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What has happened over the course of the last week or so? There are no pinned messages present (edited)
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Good timing
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tl;dr lister got doxed (edited)
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we got his possible address
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and his name-surname
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last thing we need is his middle name and we can confirm if the address is correct
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What happened is that six days ago, Lister came to Schism server doing his slandering act, this time targeting DoomKrakken.
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A lot of bad shit went down in the server.
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that too
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There was no response from Lothar, the server's owner.
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I am a moderator here, I demanded action.
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last thing we need is his middle name and we can confirm if the address is correct
Everyone in Russia has a middle name?
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Lothar was extremely apprehensive to do anything, hiding behind tracts of how great hacker Lister is.
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Obvious bullshit.
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Everyone in Russia has a middle name?
yeah
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but it is more like a last name
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and the last name is the middle name
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but usually people list their name and surname on vk and stuff
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We had a moderator discussion about the punishment, most of the people who took a vote were pro punishment.
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Right now I am talking with Lothar about his decision
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what's Schism?
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Lothar's Brutal Doom submod.
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Alright so
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Lothar claims that he talked with Lister and reprimanded him
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OF COURSE
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I expected that.
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He did not any official warning, just some more buddy talk.
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And now I am arguing in that channel why it should be an official warning.
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What a fucking madhouse.
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tovRobi is arguing that it is not necessary to make our decisions official (edited)
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What a load of bullshit, probably another crony covering Lister
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All while I pull Lothar's tongue at every step
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that's some complicated relation hierarchy
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You have all in the screenshots I posted.
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Long story short, Lothar himself said that Lister has "special status" in his server because he is impressed with what Lister does.
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That is his excuse for letting Lister insult anyone he wants and threaten moderators via DMs.
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It is pale cronyism.
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I will stay here for now, but if Lister does that again and Lothar still covers him, it will be time to abandon the moderator and admin roles. (edited)
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Yeah... just wait for the next chance to strike.
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I never saw this tovRobi around, so it might be he is just genuinely concerned about your aggressiveness...
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What do I know
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You know what they say
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Assume genuinity
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(As long as it's not blatantly false...)
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For me it is near outright blatant falsehood, so I am not trusting him.
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Still no response.
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Should I demand that Lothar shows his DMs to Lister, or should I play dumb? (edited)
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Play dumb.
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Yeah, that would be an incendiary bomb right there. (edited)
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You will corner him hard if Li$ter pulls that shit again. If he doesn't, well, Schism server and any friends you have there will be free of his bs for the time being.
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Scally admitted to me privately that the situation is suspicious.
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For a small note: idkfa is a former LSD Discord member, you can trust him but he does not know as much as me.
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I think that I can count on two moderators leaving if I jump ship, but not 100% sure.
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Ah idkfa
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Yeah he is there.
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He just told Lothar to fuck off when asked to do some more gore.
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He told Li$ter to fuck off immediately when it started if I remember well...
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What started?
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The original meltdown situation
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It's in your screenshots...
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Let me check
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Not outright fuck off be it clear, but the intention was that.
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Ah yes, Lister have spreaded some shit in main channel again lmao (edited)
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At this point the PB server seems like a cozy house compared to this stinky den.
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That is a commendable pair of balls he grew, compared to when he was still in there.
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And I had abandoned PB server a long time ago.
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So I got an impasse again.
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Lothar just pulled out an excuse answer for me to stop bothering him
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And ignored the rest of the posts I made.
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The outwait tactic strikes again.
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It appears he doesn't want to lose you either though, to me
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Perhaps for the possible bad publicity.
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That, or more usefully, he can't just get more moderators...
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I do not think he cares about me that much.
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Besides, the day before the shit with Lister happened, another moderator had removed himself from the server, JMartinez. (edited)
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In his case, because the rest of the staff had enough of his censorship antics when it had come to talking about PB server community.
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I think that Lothar is too busy covering Lister to be afraid of the lack of moderators.
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holy shit
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What happened?
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Took you long enough to counter me
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Wdym what is up
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Look [20:57] I talked to him in DM about it [20:57] Also, just to be clear how all the stuff looks like [20:57] I'd like to make it clear now [20:58] when Lister release his port, it will be free for players of all supported mods [20:59] "authorized" mods how he calls it [21:02] He told me that this port with all it's features will be free for all players of mods he support, no pay at all. However he demand only one thing for it - being lead-moderator of discord of this specific mod. That's how it looks. [21:03] I know that Pain and Sarge will accept it, i'm 99.9999% sure. [21:04] As well as most other leaders of valuable projects.(edited) [21:08] @shotfan also. If you want to kinda humilate Lister and make him shame in front of this server - it won't work this way. Like what I should announce? Literally write in #announcements with @ everyone "I told Lister that he is bad guy and will be kicked in ass if he shit on my carpet once again?"? Or what? [21:09] I have pretty strong feeling that no one care beside you and Zero about it. Like everyone already forgot all this stuff 10 times since it happened.
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Now what?
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Oh my god.
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Just oh my god.
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It is the fucking time now?
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Can I just get the fuck out?
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It is the fucking time. Guess you can tell him he's spineless if he lets such an unstable dude moderate his own community just to have a better sourceport.
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Can we use this?
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...listen.
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If it's true it's free... you can leak it.
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If it's false... Lothar owes you a bit one.
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Owes me what?
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OR... you could give him my screenshot with the prices!
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If you feel like it.
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Sorry but I am about to throw my papers
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Which one? Can you dig it out?
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Call his bullshit out if you will.
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At least Coole is reasonable, I guess!
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You sure?
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Your name is in there.
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I quit the Doom community, as you know.
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Lister can only whine that I am still a thorn to his side.
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As usual -- a friend left you this ;)
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All that will do in there is confirm that I knew something is up all the time.
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You yourself said you wanna just quit it at this point.
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So, if you wanna leave, do it with a bang.
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What you gonna do?
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I got time to see if Lister's alleged private profile is actually his
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I hope he has at least one video with his voice
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but why bruh
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To confirm that the name-surname pair I proposed is his
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We want to spook him don't we?
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I still think what we should know is his shadiness and wrong behaviour...
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Like how you identified his Olymp Trade background
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He's still trading to this day btw
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Wait I found 3 more pics
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But still
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He is for fucking sure shady af
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I actually even got 4
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And faces are similar
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We need 100% certain misbehaviour more than anything.
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We need 100% certain misbehaviour more than anything.
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Well we might be able to dig deeper if we find his private profile
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blocking other mods?
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lame
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call him a furry and report him for devious acts
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Should I post your image to a public channel?
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No. Maybe you can get away with it, if Lothar is pressured by others who are mad at the fact, while posting publicly will get you instabanned.
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Then I am posting it to the moderator channel.
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And I am leaving the server, I am done there.
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Stay for a little, at least to see the other mods' reaction.
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So we can get a true idea of their allegiancies.
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For example, if Coole is just acting or is actually let down by Li$ter's behavior.
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It will not have such impact.
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I can ask Zero and Scally how it developed.
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I am ready to get the fuck of there. Now or never.
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Depends on how in Lothar really is.
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If he is actually being deceived to an extent, it's golden.
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Down the throat.
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You sent it you mean?
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Not yet.
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What does that idiom mean?
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But I want to make this over already.
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Well... something very gay something.
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Anything else?
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Lemme see...
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Alright gang We got a better match Andrey Lachtachev DoB is May 16th, 1986 Private profile, no other info
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This.
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And overall all factors I gathered on the profile fit lister WAY better than others
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Sure, I will use this too.
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And after hearing his voice he's definitely over 25
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These two things. It's paid, and it's illegal.
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All you need to call out that bs.
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Just in case, I'll throw this here
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Tell me if and when you wanna hit, Shotfan
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I want to resign right now, if that is what you mean.
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When you go posting those images I mean. And yeah you told me now heh
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tovRobi "Robi Fangirl"Today at 21:55 However he demand only one thing for it - being lead-moderator of discord of this specific mod - Jesus fucking Christ what a ЧСВ.
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I will post them to the moderator channel as I leave.
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Any moment now.
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@Raov immediate translation for that?
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For the ЧСВ part?
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That's a term
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The ЧСВ I mean.
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Yeah.
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Lemme Google that, I never delved into what it means
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ЧСВ - Чувство Само-Важности Or in English, feel of self-importance
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Aka narcissism
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Okay I got too much evidence to disprove Andrey lakhtachev as a fake name
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ȽʘɌƉ ȽʘŦḢɅɌ "אֵלִיָּהוּ"Today at 22:02 @tovRobi "Robi Fangirl" somehow, however without it he can't get rid of people he want because they are mods in few projects lmfao XD NEW tovRobi "Robi Fangirl"Today at 22:07 Is it even worth to do all this? I mean if he will manually block your mod. So what? There is other sourceports. And even so. Thats means that you not encouraging his altitude if you do how you want.
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Over 90% similarity on like 15 pictures
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Alright, time to end this.
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Final update:
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(Lothar) he chasing his goals of vendetta over some specific high placed people in Doom community - Come on! We are in kindergarden or in government that there is place for such things?(edited) Coole. "Mayor Disrespect"Today at 22:09 :WHY: ȽʘɌƉ ȽʘŦḢɅɌ "אֵלִיָּהוּ"Today at 22:10 @tovRobi "Robi Fangirl" IDK is it worth or no, coz his port isn't released, however I'd like to keep considerable neutral position till it [22:11] and yeah, other... obsolete zandronum and mentally retarded GZDoom [22:11] choice of doomer... (edited)
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I told Zero to stay if he can.
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Here we go...
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Oh nice tovRobi is standing up
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You going, huh... lmk
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What?
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I am ending my stay.
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You did it? What did it cost?
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LISTER FUCKING SHADY SHADY
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I found like 5 companies on his possible name
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All are closed but still
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But I know his middle name now
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Which is fucking PERFECT
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guys we have officially got all his data
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Alright.
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so Lister will be going to Brazil now
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All companies are in Saint Petersburg, on his name too
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The vk profile reported Saint Petersburg
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The pictures from the account had 90% matches compared to what was found on Lister's main profile
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Which means
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Ladies and gentlemen We got him
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Man I'm so fucking happy the search has ended
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Well, well. So you admit it. The scam with the paid sourceport is real after all. Thanks for answering that. That is why you had let Lister insult anyone he wanted. You knew all along. And in the case you have not noticed, not only Zero and I advocated for doing something about Lister. But you tried to wait us out, huh? Now you have made it clear that you care more about sucking Lister’s dick than maintaining an orderly community here. You reallly are that pathetic. I am finished dealing with you. I am stepping down from my functions here and leaving. Take this as the parting gift. Have a great time with your "special status" member. (edited)
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Jackpot.
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I also posted this image alongside the two others you gave me here today: (edited)
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Well said, btw.
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Frax314
Jackpot.
could not have worded better.
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Thanks guys.
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I got really fucking nervous.
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Good job shotfan
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I understand
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I would be too
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so does this mean the whole operation of shutting down this madness will end up with a success?
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Hopefully yes.
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I only gave the images to the Schism staff as of now.
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Remember that Zero will ask you what was up with that...
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Ah yeah.
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I will tell him, sure.
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That is a relief, being free of that server.
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Frax314
Hopefully yes.
I really hope so too
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Okay Jesus christ my mind is going creep mode
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Had a thought of messaging his phone number with something like "hey lister, how's your doom mod going?"
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That'll get him scared shitless probably
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Yes officer
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this guy right here
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Okay I may have gone too far
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I got 3 possible addresses
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And a confirmed phone number
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He's done for gang
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ok Raov is our BFG We use him as a last resort
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If he proceeds to insult people we will get him
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KENSUKE21
ok Raov is our BFG We use him as a last resort
Oh hohoho I will sure be excited to release any and all info on him if shit goes down
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I want his ass gone
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Or at least teach him a lesson
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New additions: his email
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And a second phone number (edited)
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Eh alright
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Oh look
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4 new messages from Lothar
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Send em in (edited)
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They are in Polish.
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More drivel about how great sourceport Lister has and a question whether do Pain and Sarge suck his dick too. (edited)
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HeliosDrive 02/10/2021 1:10 AM
If they're sacrificing the integrity of the Doom modding community just to avoid having their audiences pay Lister royalties to use their mods, I'd say that "dick-sucking" is an accurate term.
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More drivel about how great sourceport Lister has and a question whether do Pain and Sarge suck his dick too. (edited)
Just respond genuinely, I guess.
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And yeah, they'll be sucking his dick were that the case, lol is that even a question??
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I gtg to sleep. Do smart
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so wait Those 2 are with the whole idea for the source port?
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also buonanotte dude
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Apparently.
01:24
Lister claims that?
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Anyways, I told Lothar that it is bad enough that he bought into Lister's promises, and that he has no dignity for letting himself get extorted like that because he wants to stay competitive with BD and PB in popularity.
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And finished by saying that if he has any spine left, he should reject Lister's deal.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/10/2021 1:33 AM
The BD fans in Romero's Discord are getting on my nerves
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They really think sending a suicidal kid a Wikipedia article on suicide is 100% fine and totally going to help
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wha?
01:34
really?
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/10/2021 1:34 AM
Called the people who called Mark's BS out some "graf bitches"
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Like no dude it's called being a decent person
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deja vu
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didn't know they are that bad
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Worse than their idol?
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I mean I FUCKING LOVE BD but this shit is ridiculous
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I lost track whether Marcos got any better since that suicide instructions incident. (edited)
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no wonder I quietly "walked away" from the doom community
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and I am just there to steal whatever memes they share
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It is easier than it seems.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/10/2021 1:37 AM
It's so fucking stupid
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I just have left a server, I know how it is like 😄 (edited)
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/10/2021 1:38 AM
Like this is coming from me, a guy who believes most people who shit on Mark for years old things as virtue signallers (edited)
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But this time, it is his fanboys.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/10/2021 1:38 AM
So much for Pan saying PB fanboys are worse than BD fanboys
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Pa1n?
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/10/2021 1:39 AM
No
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Pan from the QCDE Discord
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Hosted some tourneys
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He recently left it tho
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Ah I see.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/10/2021 1:39 AM
Not sure why
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Well yeah
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PB and BD fanboys are more or less interchangeable
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/10/2021 1:39 AM
Pain
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No killer The pain remains
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lmao
01:40
Tell me about it
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/10/2021 1:40 AM
But anyways Shotfan did you leave the Doom incarnate server too?
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I abandoned his server because of how great they were at handling the feedback.
01:40
No?
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/10/2021 1:40 AM
Ah ok
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I am still there.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/10/2021 1:41 AM
Don't be alarmed that I left it I was just cleaning up my server list
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D3ath is a great guy, why I should leave? 😄
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Ahh.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/10/2021 1:41 AM
lol
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Yeah D3ath's cool
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In fact, I just posted something today there.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/10/2021 1:42 AM
Overall the moderation and dev team of PB are fine ...minus that time they didn't credit someone for work
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Not my experience.
01:42
I gave them tons of suggestions and feedback.
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And they almost never responded.
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I got frustated enough to leave that behind.
01:43
That, and I was not happy with the feature bloat.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/10/2021 1:43 AM
Well they didn't irrationally shit on you now did they?
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But yeah seems like they're adamant on keeping all the bloat
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Nah, just stayed silent, claiming that most of our suggestions are not even worth responding to. (edited)
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That was not pleasant to hear.
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So much for hadnling the community matters gracefully...
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/10/2021 1:44 AM
That's what happens when people recommend you stupid shit that piles up the actually good suggestions
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They are themselves to blame.
01:45
If they talked with us more often, then we would have a better idea what to suggest in the first place.
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But I had got tired of talking to a wall and an occassional derogatory comment, so I packed my things and left.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/10/2021 1:48 AM
F
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Packed my bags too when the Secreta Lounge told me they were a buncha chuds Then I left the Secreta Lounge cus I was a centrist
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I do not know any of that.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/10/2021 1:52 AM
If you somehow didn't know most of the Secreta Lounge peeps are left-leaning cus they're nonbinary Now take that and a group of people who think saying "trap"'s fine and cops are good and you got a problem
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Ah yes, the cop shop hehe
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I saw enough shit in the PB-related channels.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/10/2021 2:01 AM
Lmao
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Sounds like you know something I don't
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I just go there for memes
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/10/2021 2:01 AM
lol
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I ignore the progress of the mod
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cause since one of the major mods left
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server's been dead
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You tell me Bulalo lol
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Basically I said everything about my reasons for leaving that server.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/10/2021 2:06 AM
Huh
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Well most of the devs/community's either full on Rightists or right leaning centrists
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So Lothar does not desist.
02:37
He keeps saying how BD was the greatest Doom mod of its time, that Lister is a victim of bad publicity, and that Lister can sell what he programmed.
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Somebody ignores how open source code laws work...
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/10/2021 4:19 AM
what a fucking based take Tell him he's based and the best Doom mod is actually HDoom
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Okay turns out I possibly got the wrong person
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So now I'm basing my searches directly from his main profile
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Got a phone and email already
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okay names came up inconclusive
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either he actually is sergei dragunov or idk
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but what i DID get is his passwords
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the passwords are valid and i just got into his twitter
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/10/2021 9:58 AM
uh
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too illegal?
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/10/2021 9:58 AM
eh, I'll let Frax decide
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i bet my ass it is illegal
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/10/2021 9:58 AM
but just know, I'm not involved in any of this
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but who cares in russia tbh
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i know
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/10/2021 9:58 AM
so if you get caught then I ain't an alibi
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i know mate
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nah i aint gonna delve in deeper
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but the fact that i got a working password is something
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he probably got a email or two about it, and with all that drama on him he is probably spooked rn
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not as much as i would liked it but still spooked
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maybe itll make at least some change, dunno
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wtfff why did you get a password
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a biproduct of trying to look up at least his name (edited)
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got much more
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/10/2021 10:03 AM
did you find things that are his name then???
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i got a potential suspect, but the info does not really match
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/10/2021 10:04 AM
then this endeavor was essentially pointless????
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maybe he has two different personalities on the internet?
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idfk (edited)
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup
then this endeavor was essentially pointless????
nah mate not at all
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/10/2021 10:04 AM
ok then I guess
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To be fair, I doubt Li$ter has an account for his real self
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Only his g a m e r self (edited)
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possible
10:06
but would he be comfortable speakin to others on that account
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idk
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either way, the search is still on
10:06
but we are getting closer
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Raov, this is too much.
11:49
I already do not approve of doxxing, but figuring out passwords is another level.
11:49
Do not use any of that.
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Didn't plan to
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Neither will
11:50
i can guarantee you that.
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Good.
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i was checking if the email i found belonged to the guy, thats all. no other use. (edited)
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Aight...
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But if you pull that shit again, Li$ter will be right about having the moral high ground compared to those who want to take him down
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quick question you talking to me?
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Yeah...
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ye im not gonna dig any deeper
12:20
and even then the info im providing is last-resort
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/10/2021 1:11 PM
don't we have like 100 contingency plans at this point
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hell we don't even need the other 99 we could just tell everyone that he's a vehemently hateful person (in terms of race and gender) and we can leave it at that
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Yeah, let's drop that already.
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I filled Zero on us.
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He wanted to get in right away, but I had to deny him since we are full on this 🇧🇷 boat.
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s e r v e r
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I promised him to keep him posted for the time being.
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s e r v e r
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Now put a neon sign in here.
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I have not heard any news from him about what is happening in the Schism server, so I suppose that my depature was not overly big of an event... (edited)
Raov pinned a message to this channel. 02/10/2021 10:13 PM
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Hard luck, but I had to do it.
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Good job Raov
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Now make it flash
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Later.
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But will do.
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I mean.
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If you guys want Zero here.
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Let me make some space. (edited)
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the more the merrier
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Doomkrakken does want to get in?
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Or no news from him?
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I just read up, saw that zero wanted in.
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I don't really got a stake in this, you guys seem more invested and I have no real way to help with any of this. It's been fun, you guys keep at it.
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Just wait, he can wait too.
iSpookulon left the group. 02/10/2021 10:21 PM
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too late
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at least now we got space
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Too bad.
22:21
So, should I invite Zero now?
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The sacrifice has been made...
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Hey, how do you invite to a group DM?
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Get friend request done
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Then just add
22:26
Invite sent.
shotfan added YourpalZ3R0 to the group. 02/10/2021 10:27 PM
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hey zero
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NOO I CAME TO BRAZIL
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Hey hey people.
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welcome to brazil
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where lister gets mf doxed
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I knew the fucking polish toilet would shoot me into brazil.
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Goddamn it.
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lmaooo (edited)
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Welcome to Brazil
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All boats drowned and jungle is burning
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So you are staying
22:28
You can read everything we know here.
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Damn I thought I'd see some green after coming from the yellow brazil that is egypt.
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Yeah sure.
Raov changed the channel icon. 02/10/2021 10:29 PM
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now this is true brazil
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Lmao (edited)
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Love the new logo
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I forgot to mention, Zero
02:18
If you want, you can report on Schism server, since only you are there now.
02:19
Thanks in advance.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/11/2021 2:57 AM
Lothar showing off his artsies in the Romero's Games Discord Did he actually paint those I wonder?
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I think so. He is a painter, sculptor and drawing artist.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/11/2021 12:47 PM
very intriguing shame he's a vehement racist and transphobe
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well I mean... now that I noticed...
12:47
that seems to be more than the norm for artists, at least for older ones...
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He is 26 though.
12:49
But yes, the paintings are all his, this is true.
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Also, he is Polish born in Ukraine. Connect the dots.
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And as I told him myself, no skill can excuse lack of morals.
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The point is, you can be good at something but not be a good person...
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/11/2021 12:51 PM
well yeah
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I do not want to apply that description to himself, just yet.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/11/2021 12:52 PM
I just found it funny that a lot of artists that work with traditional or old stuff tend to be uh... traditional with their beliefs so to speak
12:52
Lothar included
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I am still more thinking that he got persuaded by Lister that hard and cannot convince himself to reject Lister's company.
12:53
That thing? It can be an effect of working with/on classical art.
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Seems like it creates some sort of conservative awe in people.
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That's just because art shares ideals.
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You know, "older times were better" and so on.
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Art is a vehicle of personal or public propaganda.
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Ideals differ though.
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Classical stuff - that what Lothar works on mostly - promotes classical ideals.
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Art is not neutral.
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As for propaganda, everyone with a brain and a heart has one.
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We communicate what we hold dear.
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There are different shades of interpretation to older art, of course
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Just the term itself is loaded thanks to state censorship and social engineering.
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shotfan
You know, "older times were better" and so on.
HeliosDrive 02/11/2021 1:25 PM
"Back in my day, we called sandwiches "Flat Freddies"! It cost four playing cards a bite."
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shotfan
If you want, you can report on Schism server, since only you are there now.
YourpalZ3R0 02/11/2021 1:36 PM
That goes without saying but the problem is he just closed the situation after you left.
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All what happened is. (edited)
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Damage control.
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lister said "holy shit hes such a snowflake" (edited)
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HeliosDrive 02/11/2021 1:41 PM
And eagle?
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"fuckin out of his mind."
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Moderation "standards".
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HeliosDrive 02/11/2021 1:41 PM
At this point, Lothar's suckin so hard on that lister dick, it's coming out his rear end.
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Of course they would say it.
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Oh, Eagle is now against punishing Lister too?
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YourpalZ3R0 02/11/2021 1:42 PM
It's saddening honestly. Lothar was better than this.
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Bruh
13:42
Eagle is Li$ter's right hand
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No one's closer to him
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He seemed doing the opposite back when the drama happened in the public channel.
13:42
Whatever.
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do i leak
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most of the shit i found on him
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EXCEPT SENSITIVE STUFF
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We will see what to do with that later
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i dont want others abusing his shit
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And I have to go now.
13:43
Later.
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aight cya
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Cya shotfan
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/11/2021 1:47 PM
so
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just remember I'll be vibing if you need me guys to leak it into the QCDE Discord (edited)
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Scally contacted me on her own to let me know that nothing changed in the server.
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She also gave me a screenshot where Lothar continues his drivel about how much of a special snowflake Lister is.
18:20
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Nothing new, then
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She is not opposing Lothar's bullshit as strong as Zero and I, but since she decided to let me know by herself that means she is not right with what happened.
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I will try to ask her what else Lothar dumped on her to read in DMs. Probably more of the same that I already had heard from him. (edited)
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Nice.
18:35
Sorry I had to lol
18:37
"And I see major injustice in this"
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You know, I don't think Lothar really understands who lister really is or why he's banned everywhere
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He does
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He is part of his circlejerk
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He's in his Discord
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He's simply on their side (edited)
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How did he even get dragged into it?
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From continuously being lied on about the past?
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No he deflects those claims
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I'm afraid he has just always been part of the russian Doom community where Lister has influence.
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Lothar says that Sarge being banned everywhere is also unjustified. (edited)
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That is his mindset.
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The fact that even Sarge has - arugably - moral high ground compared to Lister is another matter.
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Sarge being banned has nothing to do with the lister stuff though
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But yeah
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Lothar uses that as a comparison.
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I just feel like people like Sarge never should've been a part of this in the first place
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Moreover, he himself compares to Sarge and Pain.
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He literally asked me whether these two suck Lister's dick too.
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He is looking for a way to placate his conscience.
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As for how he got dragged into this, ask him.
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HeliosDrive 02/11/2021 6:43 PM
Dear God, what a drama queen.
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I do not know him for too long.
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HeliosDrive 02/11/2021 6:43 PM
Lothar needs a bloody perspective reality check
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But from what I know, he had been a part of Russian Doom community for several years, and that is how he got involved with Lister.
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He does not listen.
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He keeps saying that he and Lister are victims of some black propaganda.
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if lothar is smart he would've abandoned lister by now
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Not smart, more like of harder skeleton.
18:45
I literally called him out on his integrity and he took that as me bullying Lister.
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HeliosDrive 02/11/2021 6:45 PM
Dude doesn't know what a "major injustice" is, if he thinks it also counts in getting banned from multiple communities due to repeated instances of garbage attitude and rule-breaking
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He said that demanding a public warn for him only means that Zero and I want to humiliate Lister. (edited)
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It's just like being banned on steam's VAC server for cheating, there's no injustice in that
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By that point, it has been made clear that he had abandoned proper community rules in favour of sucking Lister's dick, as I told him when I GTFO'd. (edited)
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(*NOT of harder skeleton, specifically spine; fucking omitted negations)
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So yeah, you can be smart and skilled AND still be deep in some shady shit.
18:47
There is some perverted love going on here.
18:49
Does not help that his ambition to make Schism the greatest Doom mod reinforces his use of immoral tactics like sourceport extortion.
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shotfan
Does not help that his ambition to make Schism the greatest Doom mod reinforces his use of immoral tactics like sourceport extortion.
He wants to make Schism the best mod? Lmao (edited)
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At least in popularity.
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That's... even... worse.
18:50
I knew he was ModDB scum.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/11/2021 6:51 PM
that's an impossible feat
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We all know the most popular mod is Quake 4: Lighting Fast Mod: Doom Edition
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That is what he said to me when explaining himself - that he needs to relocate the mod onto Listeronum (or whatever the fuck it is to be called) in order to help it stay competitive against BD and PB.
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Frax314
We all know the most popular mod is Quake 4: Lighting Fast Mod: Doom Edition
Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/11/2021 6:51 PM
indeed
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This is such pathetic angle that I cannot fathom.
18:52
It can be torn down in so many ways.
18:52
How about other famous mods that won the popularity fairly, e.g. anything from Pillowblaster?
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Pillowblaster's stuff is great
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How about the fact that BD is mostly finished by now and Sarge moved on, and that PB is such a mess that has unsure future before it?
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/11/2021 6:53 PM
we should simply tell him the most popular mod is Quake 4: Lightning Fast Mod: Doom Edition and it will never be overthrown
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And I'm not surprise if lister also attempted to brainwash him too
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How about looking beyond just the BD family of mods, what else Doom community holds in high regard there?
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shotfan
How about looking beyond just the BD family of mods, what else Doom community holds in high regard there?
Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/11/2021 6:54 PM
Quake 4: Lightning Fast Mod: Doom Edition
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man I wish Dox doesn't get dragged into this
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Or how about just telling to yourself that there is more to life than Doom modding?
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/11/2021 6:54 PM
he seems like a genuinely nice guy who just wants to mod BD
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shotfan
Or how about just telling to yourself that there is more to life than Doom modding?
Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/11/2021 6:55 PM
impossible, because Quake 4: Lightning Fast Mod: Doom Edition is life
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I just told him that he it is bad enough that he bought into Lister's promises of BESTEST SOURCEPORT EVAH
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How fucking gullible is he?
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup
man I wish Dox doesn't get dragged into this
Yeah right, Dox...
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WAIT
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Dox?
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/11/2021 6:56 PM
oh boy here it comes
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I'm not sure, but we might have to tell him...
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/11/2021 6:56 PM
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The guy that makes BD addons?
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shotfan
The guy that makes BD addons?
Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/11/2021 6:56 PM
yeah
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Oh fuck
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/11/2021 6:56 PM
met him in the PB Discord, saw him again in Romero's Discord
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Why? What happened?
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/11/2021 6:57 PM
he seems like a nice dude
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I have him as a part of the LiTDoom dev team.
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Frax314
Why? What happened?
Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/11/2021 6:57 PM
wait you're not dropping a massive truth bomb or smth?
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What is important to tell him?
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Dox is literally in the complexity server, and seems to be in good terms with people like craneo
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/11/2021 6:57 PM
I was expecting a massive truth bomb
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Yeah Dox has always been a chill dude.
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Is he in collusion with Lister too?
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/11/2021 6:57 PM
yay :D
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For him to be a part of lister is gonna be fuck
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part of Lister
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Jesus Fluffy mind your words (edited)
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/11/2021 6:58 PM
Not sure, but since iirc Project Complexity = big evil to Lister's gang
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then no
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Yeah honestly
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I sure hope so.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/11/2021 6:58 PM
is popguy cool too?
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I do not want another rotten apple in a server that I actually care about.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/11/2021 6:58 PM
made that utterly broken CSSG addon for PB
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Popguy?
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I thought CSG is a creation of The Barge.
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Popguy seemed chill last time I saw him.
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Alongside several other addons for BD and PB.
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But FWIK Barge left the community a long time ago now.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/11/2021 7:00 PM
F
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so overall people I definitely need to watch out for are Pa1n Sarge Lister Lothar that's it?
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Eagle
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/11/2021 7:01 PM
any cronies by name, minus Anime Punk
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Mr. Satan also probably
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Hmm Annihilator 667 I told you
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/11/2021 7:01 PM
ok ok
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I know Kinnerokhn already
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Nah I'm fairly sure Mr. Satan isn't his crony
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For now, Dox seems fine.
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Considering how Li$ter talked about him
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I hope.
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Dreo
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But you know that already I guess
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Considering how Li$ter talked about him
Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/11/2021 7:02 PM
wouldn't be too sure bout that; Lister sounds like the kind of guy who backstabs allies (edited)
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(Not Allie lmao)
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He was not in the server.
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Lothar named him as another "victim".
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/11/2021 7:02 PM
Victim of nonexistent black propoganda?
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I gtg a moment
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/11/2021 7:03 PM
racist people gotta step up their game smh
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What if Lothar can't leave the LSD stuff no matter what, like if there's something that is forcing him to do what he says?
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So extra suspicious
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Imagine that
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Blackmail?
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Fluffy
What if Lothar can't leave the LSD stuff no matter what, like if there's something that is forcing him to do what he says?
That would be the shittiest thing ever but I suppose not.
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Fluffy
What if Lothar can't leave the LSD stuff no matter what, like if there's something that is forcing him to do what he says?
Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/11/2021 7:03 PM
hmm... like Lister has access to dox-able stuff?
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It's just a thought
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/11/2021 7:04 PM
was thinking about it
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Otherwise he wouldn't have been so active in the LSD Discord.
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I do not know either.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/11/2021 7:04 PM
once again, Lister sounds like the type that would cross friends to get what he wants
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HeliosDrive 02/11/2021 7:04 PM
May or may not be unrelated, but what of DBT and Michaelis?
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no shit
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HeliosDrive 02/11/2021 7:04 PM
Does Lister have any plans with them/has approached them at all?
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/11/2021 7:04 PM
so it wouldn't be too unrealistic
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HeliosDrive
Does Lister have any plans with them/has approached them at all?
He mocked QZandro once
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Yeah, good question RB.
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And said Michaelis defended CF someway
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So they are his enemies
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HeliosDrive
May or may not be unrelated, but what of DBT and Michaelis?
Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/11/2021 7:04 PM
no. Quake 4: Lightning Fast Mod: Doom Edition is already too big of a threat to deal with
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DBT's mods are some of the most popular after all.
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Thanks Bulalo
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The enemy of my enemy is my friend
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Frax314
So they are his enemies
HeliosDrive 02/11/2021 7:05 PM
Jolly
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So I guess QCDE is gonna cost extra then...
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How about HDoom
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yes this one
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How?
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CF is which side?
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Li$ter's most hated.
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I though they are against Lister?
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So (edited)
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CF devs have dissolved
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But Li$ter still has a bone to pick with them
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That should make them the least likely of approving Lister's scam.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/11/2021 7:07 PM
unless Lister can make a mod stronger enough to beat Quake 4: Lightning Fast Mod: Doom Edition then his products would pale in comparison to the might and sheer strength of the BEHEMOTH that is Quake 4: Lightning Fast Mod: Doom Edition Give me ONE GOOD REASON why Lister should be able to topple Quake 4: Lightning Fast Mod: Doom Edition in terms of graphics, design, gameplay, and overall maximum quality. There's a reason why its channel in the QCDE Discord is so barren; because everyone's too busy playing Quake 4: Lightning Fast Mod: Doom Edition to talk about it. LSD? More like Marijuana, cus it makes me sleep like a little baby when compared to the SHEER EPICNESS OF Quake 4: Lightning Fast Mod: Doom Edition
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Fluffy was part of the CF community, so...
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oh fuck (edited)
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/11/2021 7:07 PM
can we pin this fr
Frax314 pinned a message to this channel. 02/11/2021 7:07 PM
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I need to play Quake 4: Lightning Fast Mod: Doom Edition right now
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How could I have missed it?! (edited)
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CF did dissolve, it split into to groups which is either Nexus or Mr. Satan's bs
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Things like CF 4.1.3 that was banned on TSPG for mentioning someone being cringe
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But yeah
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The only "sane" part of CF now is nexus imo
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Implying CF is sane
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okno
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Sane if probably not the right word
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Functioning
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But yeah the whole thing is just stupid when it comes to that, it'll never be as meaningful as it once was
19:12
it's nothing compared to what lister's trying to do
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Something that may get the entire zdoom/zandronum community involved
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Well yes, ideally.
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Lister's conspiracy is aimed at damaging those two.
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I also remember when Craneo said Satan was an LSD spy
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lol
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That alone almost got him banned on TSPG
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Speaking about lister is almost like a taboo at this point
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Or that's what I thought....
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TSPG is kil?
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Kinda.
19:27
Mifu said it might be shut down in the future.
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Ah yes
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Lister screamed something about Doomkrakken sucking Mifu's dick (edited)
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Mifu also did a leak IIRC
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Maybe
19:31
Things like TSPG shutting down just erases the point of zandronum
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Mifu also stepped down as TSPG's owner
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Now it's Nax and Marcaek
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That means lister can't target him anymore, big sad for him
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Marcaek...
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He is from Doomworld, isn't he?
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He'll be royally pissed once that shit is out in the open.
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Don't know much about those two actually
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But yeah, if lister reads this.... good luck buddy
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/12/2021 3:47 AM
so...
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the supposed Listernum release is at March right
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i think so
Sinigang the Philippine Soup started a call that lasted 0.024383333333333333 minutes 02/12/2021 10:17 AM
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/12/2021 10:18 AM
fuck
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misclick
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my bad
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/12/2021 2:16 PM
so uh
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any updates
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Nope
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/12/2021 2:22 PM
k
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I have something, although tangenial.
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Scally said that she is considering leaving Discord entirely.
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Not only you got fed up with this community, Frax...
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Gotta love toxic people alienating their own staffmates.
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She said she does not approve of what Lothar is doing, and I suppose she is considering resignating, seeing how hopeless he is.
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After all, sometimes leaving is the only thing one can do when faced with immoral practices within their group. (edited)
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Oh, you'll see how many will quit when Listeronum drops.
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but youll never guess what will drop if listeronum will be paid
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Then when we will drop our bombs?
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I hear that time is running out.
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Raov
but youll never guess what will drop if listeronum will be paid
That's what I meant
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Anyway, I'm not sure what we can do except reacting. We have no means to offense.
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Who else we could inform of the scam?
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That is how we could attack.
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shotfan
Then when we will drop our bombs?
i plan to drop mine on the day of release if it is in fact paid
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either that or after ristovski decompiles the port and confirms the source code was stolen
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Well no shit
18:40
Using id's source code to make a paid product is already illegal.
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So we wait for that?
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YourpalZ3R0 02/12/2021 6:41 PM
how much is he masturbating online to call his sourceport listernoum
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my nigga really loves himself
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oo i hear da Nword
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My exact first reaction.
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When the port's name was unveiled.
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I WILL CALL IT LIQUIDIA
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Raov
oo i hear da Nword
YourpalZ3R0 02/12/2021 6:42 PM
Oh noo I can't say the nigga word even though I'm egyptian and live there
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I have the golden n word pass bro (edited)
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nah my nigga i say it too at times
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gimme a copy (edited)
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YourpalZ3R0 02/12/2021 6:43 PM
That's a nigga I can trust
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A copy of a nigga?
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a copy of The nword Pass™️ (edited)
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YourpalZ3R0 02/12/2021 6:43 PM
Just go farm them in the south African server then
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YourpalZ3R0 02/12/2021 6:43 PM
I heard that's how Elon got his pass
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That is a endgame farming territory
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You need legendary loot like Neopup and Power Armor to survive there
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YourpalZ3R0 02/12/2021 6:44 PM
yeah it's only for veteran n word enthusiasts
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/12/2021 7:33 PM
Nice
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Hard Rs
19:33
Just what I needed
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Are we sure I shouldn't leak it to the QCDE Discord yet?
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Don't just yet
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Remember It might well come later than March
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Besides
20:11
QCDE staff is already aware I believe
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And so are at least some moderators of its Discord
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/13/2021 3:43 AM
Hmm
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Lothar posted this to his and Zero's server
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I suppose that he is trying to whitewash himself.
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I replied that I already had said everything and I am not continuing the topic.
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potato quality
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you got any higher res?
19:41
its readable ofc but you have to squint your eyes real bad
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Oh wait, yeah
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Hold on
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i read it through doe
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"we wont delete any posts"
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b u l l s h i t
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Here, this is the proper resolution:
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>i've granted scholarship
19:57
flexin huh
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that makes it easier to troll people like that
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exactly
19:58
nobody cares mate
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you graduated college? And you are the big stupid? Let the bullying commence
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https://discord.gg/crtSMJW Just for reference in case anybody wants to spy
Invite to join a server
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🚪прихожая
Frax314 pinned a message to this channel. 02/14/2021 11:49 AM
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fuck yes i will spy there
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You have to PM Li$ter
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For full access
11:49
Say you're interested in the mod or in the port or whatever
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alright pretended to play doom a lil bit and have no presence on any forum
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That was specific as fuck but ok
11:54
Should've been vague
11:54
Like a ModDBlet
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also you dont have to PM him, there is a channel for that
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They don't read messages there iirc.
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Unless I'm wrong.
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Wait a bit
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we'll see
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Then if it doesn't work just PM him
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ye mate aint the first day on the internet
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damn tbh i might get fucked to death there with my pfp and custom status
11:58
especially lister
11:58
the guys hella picky as ive seen from his prev behaviour (edited)
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Oh shit
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Right
11:59
Better get an alt...
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too late i think
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You can just quit as long as you did not PM.
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i did not yet
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Then enter with an alt and another presentation
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guess ill tidy myself up there
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copypasting my message here so i dont forget what i said в дум не так много играю, а на форумах меня вообще нет. listeronum достаточно сильно заинтересовал так что решил зайти посмотреть что да как тут если надо помощи попросить
Raov pinned a message to this channel. 02/14/2021 12:01 PM
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ill unpin this later
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JESUS
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That's super specific
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Damn it How do you - Not play Doom much - Not be on the major forums yet - know Listeronum
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i lurk on forums is what i meant
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Let's hope for the best anyway
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nah i left the server and cleaned after myself so i can join with an alt
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Only say you know the mod, best way to know all
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...what the fuck did I write
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best way to *introduce yourself without suspicion
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Thought that server would have a lot more members
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Guess not
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I have an alias I can use, but well
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Not really so sure if spying is a good idea
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What are the benefits for spying there anyways?
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Respect +
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When Lothar and Lister
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what the-
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We are having Lister doing a little self-promotion show on LiTDoom server
21:07
Hmmm
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getting people hyped huh
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Posts screenshots, claims that his maps can support 38k monsters, advertises multicore CPU support
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Well shit
21:10
Stop him the best you can
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How exactly?
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shotfan
Posts screenshots, claims that his maps can support 38k monsters, advertises multicore CPU support
but can it run Crysis?
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I don't know. Maybe tell the other mdoerators.
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I cannot just say he tells lies, I have no proof for something does not exist yet.
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Zero is already there too.
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What he says is true.
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also say that if his source port can run nuts with PB and causes no issues, then it's real
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Sooooooo
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What do you even demand from me then
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Warn the other moderators about what he's done. To keep a look on him...
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And so that they do not simp for him, of course.
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The only other moderator is Zero.
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Wolf had already banned him once there, but Lister begged an unban out of him. (edited)
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Dev staff? Anyone with moderating powers who might fall for him
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Only Wolf, the owner.
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Alright
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So that is everyone in power in there covered.
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i think the only vector of attack is GPL2 violation and a possible lawsuit
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So yeah
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I cannot disprove the performance claims
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We are here because he wants to sell the thing
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i think the only vector of attack is GPL2 violation and a possible lawsuit
And him being a total ass
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ACTUALLY
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gimme all you got fam im all ears
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If Li$ter did not specificy it's paid...
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Write right after it is.
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With the prices.
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So that everyone looking will know.
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gets fucking banned
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Hmmmmmmmmmm
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It's just honesty.
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Zero, are you listening?
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Is that viable?
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He is hiding important info, that's dishonest and it wouldn't be wrong to act. Zero seems to be offline, eh...
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zeros offline
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No he is not
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you sure?
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He is talking with Lister there as we speak
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i dont have him as friends maybe thats why
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And no, Lister has not mentioned any price or lack of it still
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YourpalZ3R0 02/15/2021 9:18 PM
what have I missed
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sorry I have group chats muted because pings and stuff
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Discussion on Li$ter's appearance in the Litdoom server
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3 years for this map and 3 + for port (edited)
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3+ for port
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That is what Lister claimed there.
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Zero, say
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can i say the n- oh wait zero is here he gave me the pass (edited)
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YourpalZ3R0 02/15/2021 9:19 PM
Yeah I'm just tailing him.
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nigga more like 3 years of stealing code
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YourpalZ3R0 02/15/2021 9:19 PM
lmao
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If Lister claims that his sourceport is going to be free - is using the screenshots with prices viable on Wolf's server?
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I am wondering about Wolf's reaction.
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Choose quickly since the more people who see it, the worse...
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No opportunity to attack for now though.
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the more people see it, the more flamy lister will react to you leaking prices
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It must be done preventively
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Preemptively?
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We are not going to appear credible if he does not expose himself first.
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But you can't talk him to it.
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Nor can you expect a rando to go talking to him.
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Otherwise we get a Doom Remake 4 situation.
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can i get some context on that?
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YourpalZ3R0 02/15/2021 9:23 PM
Man I smell so many lies
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Community didn't manage to tell randos Doom Remake 4 is a stolen bag o'sbit
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Another failure in the big book
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Doom Remake 4 had commercial assets in it.
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Not only that.
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The reverse of what Lister is attempting.
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The mod in general sucked + stole stuff from modders.
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Lister just confirmed himself to be Russian in this conversation.
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his entire server is in russian how much more proof do you need
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So? :/
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you mean he couldve used google translate or some shit?
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nah russian is spot on
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Kekw
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with every nook and cranny there is that a non-native wont notice (edited)
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Thing is-it is not piracy at all [19:33] Kek [19:34] Cause we are not using doom's sources [19:34] We are making thing which is emulator almost [19:35] So... No sources-no piracy
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How about this?
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Give him the screenshot where he says he's taking the code from Quake.
21:46
Let me fetch it.
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Fuck he does not say it outright
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Be careful.
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Also, it violates GPL-2. remember
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It is not a question of piracy
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But open source infrightment
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Hmmmmm
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Damn it
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No, he can just say that he was inspired by it or something...
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Too vague to use as a strong argument in public...
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Do the GPL-2 argument.
21:51
That won't fail
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He could not defend from it aganist me
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He won't be able to aganist you
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Is it that he cannot sell anything that is supposed to run commercial Doom assests? (edited)
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He cannot sell forks
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And regardless of what he says, that shit IS a fork.
21:57
You can't do otherwise, and if he wants to prove it, he must release the source.
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damn you got him good
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So he DOES use Doom source code?
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Likely (edited)
22:04
It is almost certain
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And if he does not... he MUST show the evidence.
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Otherwise it's a literal scam.
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Well, we cannot be sure until the release...
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He will say that I invent shit out of the blue now.
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No, because even if he releases, there is nothing to show wheter it is a fork or not.
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There is no proof yet to verify who is right.
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Source must be provided to truly confirm/deconfirm.
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And... he could do it right now. But he won't, clearly...
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I mean, only at the release he is obliged to publish the source code.
22:07
Now, he can hide as much as he can.
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He is obliged to if he wants to prove it's not a fork.
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If he cannot prove it is not, we should assume it is, which means it goes straight aganist the GPL-2 license.
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Damned if he does damned if he doesn't
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You gonna do anything?
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I can call him out and demand that he releases the source code for his port...
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But I am afraid that it will not do nearly enough, as he says his usual spiel and everyone else looks at me like I am crying wolf.
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Don't ask him to release the source
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Just tell him it's infrighting the GPL-2
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If he says it's not a fork, ask him to prove it
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Cause we are not using doom's sources Oh really? Not a fork of Doom source code at all?
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Tell him to prove it, again
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If he can't, it's a clear scam
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In particular, how can he not use the ZDoom sources and still have ZDoom mod support?
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Rofl-,ulticore support+ another style or syn and render-lower your CPU usage for ~90% already(edited) NEW [20:39] Which means-most maps even NUTS will have no lag [20:39] And besides-to set multicore-already means to rewrite all engine
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That still constitutes a fork and does not prove in any way it not being one.
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(G)ZDoom also rewrote most of the engine.
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Since the entire game doesn't run on the same code anymore but in ZScript.
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Yet it's a fork, and so is his port
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Go and wreck his shit
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No feature can make it not a fork
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Can I see the wreckage
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He is not responding
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Probably consulting himself/around
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You did tell him right?
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He still claims that the sourceport is totally new.
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Bullshit unless proven
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And the proof is the source code. (edited)
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He can't escape this situation
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Technically
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So yeah just tell him to prove it ad nausem
22:52
Or he's bullshittin
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Well he can but people are gonna be sus of him
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Me, right.
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Ad nauseam will work with him because he just says the same things over and over himself
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So I DO need to tell him to show his source code.
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He cannot adapt
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Not necessarily.
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Proof of any kind.
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And the only proof possible is, implicitly, the source code.
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Do not mention it directly is what I mean
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No optimization or new feature is a proof of a 100% new engine.
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And that he is dodging.
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Is it just me or ````s don't work anymore
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It's 3 of those characters
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Or, to be precise, 1 for a code line 3 for a codeblock
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`this will look like` this
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Like so?
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Can't see the difference on a phone
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Like so used to work too though.
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Both are code lines
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Hm
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Weird
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This still seems to work though.
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Yeah one is a line
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3 is a block
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Any updates shotfan?
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And? I am not going to give anyone suorce code,cause i already know how it is working in this shitty community
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Yep he's sus
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What a bunch of imbeciles
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They are lining the crosshairs for their own heads
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https://open.spotify.com/track/5SrG516HWKZtSqyNk4Gw7l make him listen to this for 2 hours when you're done
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Did you specify source code or not?
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Tell him you never said that anyway
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And that if he has no other way, then that's pretty suspicious and scam-like
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Even if all features ARE there, who's to say he is allowed to sell it in the first place?
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NOW HERE
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I getting riled up again
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I got into argument again
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I told him that he must deliver proof or he breaks the license
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Ah fuck what do I smell here...
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He insists on the defense that his sourceport is going to be so good nobody will care.
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We can easily sue him too
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So I told him it WILL be taken down.
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Not sure what else I can say without going in circles.
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which is actually part of the reason I was gathering all that data in the first place
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Why'd you threaten him like that
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Fucker needs to be anxious, not say "ha" if no one ends up taking it down
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Well I will make him anxious
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I fucking will
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Wait there wait
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Stop Raov
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I am still engaging him in a lawful combat
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If he says his port will be so good no one will care, appeal to the fact it just means he is using sheep for his gain instead of being an actually good developer
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Yeah I'm waiting until yall reach a point of circling around
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He now says that the community is too shitty to have his source code.
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I said that he insults his consumers and nobody cares about what he wants.
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Consult me bruh
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Imma head out for the night, got school tomorrow and the more I stay up the worse the morning is gonna be
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That wasn't too sharp, to say nobody cares about what he wants
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Gn Raov
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I replied that to him claiming that the community is too full of sellouts and rats. (edited)
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He is trying to make a victim out of himself now.
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Quote to me his replies, let me handle it a little
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Verbatim: When it will come out-everyone will decide it for himself [21:24] If this shitty community will be cleaned from rumors/sellout rats and freaks like this- i will give any proof as you want
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That is the fallacy of impossible or undefinable conditions.
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And also dodging the original issue of not proving his veracity.
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Tell him that, yes.
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Exactly as you said right now, well put (edited)
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Too bad chat moved on.
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If he eventually brings up his various bans:
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Scamming random people with a sourceport that shouldn't be paid is not a way to retaliate to that.
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Alright...
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The conversation is not about Lister's works anymore. (edited)
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Fine enough
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If he comes back you have your tools
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I could not say anything about price yet, you know.
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He has never mentioned that.
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He only insisted on keeping the source code to himself, that I called him out on. (edited)
Frax314 pinned a message to this channel. 02/15/2021 11:34 PM
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Lemme just
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Save a solid argument
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Alright
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I am fucking tired of his bullshit
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Sorry if I did not handle it too well
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Sadly people in the channel did not seem interested in my arguments.
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They were only incredulous of performance claims, I was the only one that raised the legality issue.
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Oh wait
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You mean they doubted his claims to high performance?
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That they need to see it
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Like Bluuwolfy did.
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told ya
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suggest nuts + perofromance breaking mod
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if it can't handle it
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then it's not worth the hype
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Hah (edited)
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Except not really because if he DOES have that optimization we are more fucked...
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Nuts were named already by Bluuwolfy in there
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Besides, people are now talking about Spec's maps.
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Looks like the conversation about Listerwerkz is over...
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btw I thought of something isn't his sourceport using something that is against the rules of GNU or something?
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something that is against the rule breaking of free sharing code and stuff
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GPL-2.
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I mentioned that.
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GPL-2, another license
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wrong name but correct none the less
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If it was GNU, I think he'd be even more fucked iirc
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why not just mention to them what's happening
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However, there is one bright spot
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He DID mention the source code by himself. (edited)
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That means, he knew a priori what the GPL criteria are, but tried to deflect them in his usual way by saying "IT IS GOING TO BE SO GUD NOONE WILL CARE" (edited)
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That's because I did warn him.
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As you might remember
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I did not expect him to take the bait, but he said that by himself.
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But he flat out went cope mode
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So that is already fishy enough.
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Too bad the people in my server are not overly bothered by the license terms, it appears...
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so this GPL-2 has a rule that states "no coder shall use this shit to sell it for profit" right? But what he is doing is the opposite of this rule
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He can sell
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Not exactly
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But he has to release the source
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Yeah, what Frax said.
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oh I see
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Which makes it useless for something with no assets
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Sell all you want BUT release the source.
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I mean, there's bound to be that 1 guy who will be interested in the code
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discover things
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I mean
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and things will go bad for Lister
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With a sourceport you can litterally just fork it and go "Listeronum BUT FREE!" zero effort
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shotfan
Sell all you want BUT release the source.
when Lister doesn't have installed Source textures
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HALF-LIFE 3 WEN
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I need a break
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Get rest shotchad
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This guy is mentally draining to talk to
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Even peacefully
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I need sleep So I might sign off as well I might appear online but I'll be in bed watching some vids before sleeping
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/16/2021 1:06 AM
So...
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Do I leak shit now?
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Wait
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Does not seem that anyone else is here.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/16/2021 1:13 AM
What
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Wdym here
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In BRAZIL
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Not yet
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It's honestly useless to expose this stuff except right before release
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/18/2021 5:01 AM
any news?
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/18/2021 11:04 AM
F
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/20/2021 4:22 AM
Still nothing?
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Nope The quieter the better tbf
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/22/2021 3:12 PM
gonna assume nothing's happened yet and move on
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Correct
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/24/2021 12:01 PM
man
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Stuff happens when it happens
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But yeah it's been awfully quiet as of late
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almost too quiet
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/24/2021 12:12 PM
inb4 it turns out Lister hacked the Russian government's nuclear system and is planning to violently assassinate all his H4T0R5
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So Lothar made that call with Romero and received John's patronage for making Schism a standalone game. (edited)
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Well, if that were to happen, then Listerium could have one mod less to prop up its extortion scam... But who the hell knows when that mod-to-game conversion would be realized.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/25/2021 2:39 AM
huh
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so odd
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Not only is Brutal Doom getting a standalone game in the form of Brutal Fate, Schism is getting a standalone game too
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I'd be hyped if not for the fact that it's 2021 and brutal mods need to die
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oh that and Lothar's uh... kinda racist
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Mind though, Schism-game is just words for now.
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Unlike Brutal Fate.
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I am surprised to hear that BF is just BD remade, but why should I... (edited)
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/25/2021 2:41 AM
I mean tbf BF is looking pretty good right now although I'm not paying any monetary value for a Brutal Doom derivative so we're going with the Pirate Bay release
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ye
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the paid version is if you want to support Mark
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kudos on him for doing a torrent release as well
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The Brutal Doom Patreon was... questionable.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/25/2021 2:42 AM
I wouldn't want to support him with money, as I consider money to be the only support that I believe matters
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But still, moral high ground over what Lister is planning to do lol
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/25/2021 2:42 AM
kek
02:43
still wonder if what other Brutal fans say is true when they're talking about Mark; how he's changed over the years
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I barely visit the BD server
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/25/2021 2:43 AM
...wouldn't hold my breath, since he's fine with being part of Lister's scam program
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it got stale for some reason
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We need a BD server regular for the informed opinion.
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KENSUKE21
it got stale for some reason
Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/25/2021 2:43 AM
what a "when the pk3 is brutal!" moment
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but I still play BD (mostly with Dox778's addon)
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/25/2021 2:44 AM
same
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that kid fixed BD
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/25/2021 2:44 AM
granted it involved coding spaghetti
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but at least it's a bit tidier
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I played BD first with the Sperglord Edition. (edited)
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/25/2021 2:44 AM
although recently it's been seeping into the game
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I played BD first with the Sperglord Edition. (edited)
Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/25/2021 2:44 AM
the what?
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can I get a link
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Dude
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That was like 8 years ago (edited)
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Not sure if it still exists
02:45
And I had had an hardware replacement in the interrim
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/25/2021 2:46 AM
It originally started as a sound replacement for an older Brutal Doom and since then has turned into a full fledged conversion. Comes with alot of addons, All weapon sounds changed, Alt-Fire attacks to the Chainsaw, BFG and Mancubus Cannon, comes with...
02:46
last update was 2013 tho
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modder probably abandoned
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it
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Yeah it is old.
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The altfires attracted me. (edited)
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Fond memories...
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So Lothar made that call with Romero and received John's patronage for making Schism a standalone game. (edited)
wat I don't see why he even had to ask
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There are 2 possibilities 1 - He is dumb as bricks 2 - He believes he can use Doom assets for the standalone version just because Romero said he could make a standalone version
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Possibility 2 includes 1, of course...
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3 - He is going to remake the game enitrely, including all the assets.
10:47
Something I am not inclined to believe, since he never has done something not in Doom.
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I do not know what that Romero's patronage even entails. Lothar never told me what does he exactly want from Romero.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/25/2021 2:20 PM
it's obvious to me he wishes to seize his hair
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whoever controls Romero's hair is more powerful than Putin
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pfft
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whoever kills Romero wins Doom 2
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that's how you become all mighty
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/26/2021 1:21 AM
Well I was about to say
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Whoever wins Doom 2 becomes more powerful than when Mansa Musa was alive
Sinigang the Philippine Soup started a call that lasted 0.024316666666666667 minutes 02/26/2021 1:22 AM
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bruh
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He was logging out of Matrix
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/26/2021 1:23 AM
God fucking dammit
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Who thought it was a smart idea to place the call button there
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But anyways
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No other news?
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HeliosDrive 02/26/2021 1:45 AM
A watched kettle never boils
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/26/2021 3:11 PM
"hmm Lister left Romero's Discord wonder what came up... better use the search engine to-" "OH GOD OH FUCK"
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I literally fucking slept on this
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HE TOLD ROMERO'S DISCORD ABOUT LISTRONUM
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Can you help in any way?
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/26/2021 3:12 PM
not sure
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Or is it too late?
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/26/2021 3:12 PM
well
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Kinner's still in the Discord
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but Lister left
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not sure why
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I mean, did the convo change?
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/26/2021 3:13 PM
that's the problem
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Or is it still last message?
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/26/2021 3:13 PM
I slept on it
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this was over a week ago
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my dumbass wasn't checking up on his cronies
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Aight
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/26/2021 3:14 PM
I might be able to ask him about it on Romero's Discord, of course leaving out the other """issues""" so people don't get too riled up about the subscriptionware (edited)
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or Lister's bullshit
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or anyone's bullshit
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time to rile em up
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/26/2021 3:15 PM
no please
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it's just February
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as Frax said it would be too early
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oh shit
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Yeah indeed
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/26/2021 3:16 PM
he even said listeronum by name (edited)
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when someone was talking about sourceports and shit
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I pinged to him about it on the server, just in case we got damage control in the event that he spills too much beans
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AKA tells people there's a DRM, whitelist filled with mods by racist people, blacklist filled with mods by not-racist people, etc
15:17
pretty much he can't make too much of a fuss without the rest of the server knowing
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Who?
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/26/2021 3:19 PM
Kinnerkokhn
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since it's public he can't flaunt the scummier side of the sourceport
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he replied to me saying, and I quote
Zandronum fork with zscript and multicore support
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Tell him forks can't be sold because of GPL-2. As if you knew that already for a long time, yknow?
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/26/2021 3:22 PM
shhhh
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I'm trying to set it up
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It is not necessarily suspect.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/26/2021 3:22 PM
I can't just sprout alleged fake news
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Besides, shotfan quoted that part
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/26/2021 3:22 PM
If I said it he'll basically decry it as slander
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well shit
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hold on
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For example, if you distribute copies of such a program, whether gratis or for a fee, you must give the recipients all the rights that you have. You must make sure that they, too, receive or can get the source code. And you must show them these terms so they know their rights.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/26/2021 3:23 PM
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Copy those two things
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/26/2021 3:23 PM
ahaha
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fuck
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he said it
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he said the thing
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lemme tell him about GPL
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Remember to quote that
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/26/2021 3:27 PM
hmm
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I could, but he might get suspicious
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Just say you immediately became suspicious because no one else sold ports
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So you checked the licenses a bit
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/26/2021 3:27 PM
alright
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He doesn't know you anyway
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/26/2021 3:29 PM
oh fuck me in the ass he just confirmed that Pa1n and Mark are interested in the sourceport
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Show him
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Also take a screenshot of the moment where he says that (Mark and Pa1n being interested)
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/26/2021 3:31 PM
uh we might be in a bit of a pickle regarding the GPL argument
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this random fellow seems to have said that it isn't necessarily illegal to distribute a sourceport as paid
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He CAN sell it
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But he must release the source
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Which he won't.
15:32
End of story.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/26/2021 3:33 PM
I have questioned him about the price
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Let's see if he'll respond
15:33
oop he answered
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15 whole dollars
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I have expressed my unpleasant reaction to that
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this guy seems to have a massive hate boner for poor MiFu
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What the fuck do two bad people have to do with a sourceport being paid? An excuse and nothing more
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(Bad from his POV clearly)
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/26/2021 3:38 PM
kek
15:39
however... this provides us a massive opportunity since Romero's Discord is a public Discord, the idea of a paid sourceport is now up in the air
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AKA everyone can see it
15:39
does that mean I can finally leak it into the QCDE Discord!?
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It's good. Worms will follow Li$ter, free minds will be free
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup
does that mean I can finally leak it into the QCDE Discord!?
Yes, but only use knowledge you've learned and exhibited in Romero's Discord.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/26/2021 3:40 PM
FINALLY
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#doom time, I guess.
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Also don't do my name ever, heh!
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/26/2021 3:40 PM
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Frax314
Also don't do my name ever, heh!
Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/26/2021 3:41 PM
Oh I'm pretty sure they're fine with you debunking a massive conspiracy
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one last thing before I leave
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When I told him "he's not releasing the source code to everyone"
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Nah. I don't actually want a public part in this dumpster fire anymore.
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Also, correct him because he litterally just said he forked Zandro
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/26/2021 3:45 PM
84 fucking years for disappointment
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also Bryina confirmed it, what he's doing is big nono
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real quick tho can we get this pinned too
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"there's this dude, Lister, he wants to make an epicks lol xd sourceport that will absolutely dunk on the virgin fake gamer Graf and his GZDoom sourceport" (edited)
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Yes, I told you Bryina knew already. (edited)
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/26/2021 3:52 PM
but what about Baccohaxbax
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and Mifu definitely does
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I told him.
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Bacco I mean
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When I quit. He is not that involved outside of QCDE, soo
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/26/2021 3:53 PM
he (she?)'s pretty much the laughing stock of the whole situation, as we've seen with Kinner's bitchiness towards his (her?) existence
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A NEW CHALLENGER HAS ENTERED THE ARENA
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lemme go watch this unfold
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I can't provide live feedback though
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Based Bryina onto the attack
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/26/2021 3:56 PM
Kinner hasn't responded
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Clearly he is just posting the screenshots on Li$ter's circlejerk Discord for invisible and uncountable internet points
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/26/2021 3:59 PM
hey to anyone who's on LSDiscord for spying reasons can we get a citation (edited)
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@Raov was supposed to be there
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But he isn't rn are you Raov?
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/26/2021 4:02 PM
Man I'm so goddamn professional
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I should get a cookie for having this much brain juice
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Kinnerokhn has 0 speech points
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And a mage casted Long Silence on him
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/26/2021 4:04 PM
he's defiling me on the LSD Discord as we speak Bitch at least my people didn't have to lose to fucks with weird mustaches
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"AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA"
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Imagine lying about something being a lie
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Lieception
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Remember that you should not care
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/26/2021 4:08 PM
true or falsifications by madmen
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"Shizo"
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I lost it at hey baby
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So um
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Uh
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He's poo
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/26/2021 4:09 PM
I really wanna say "ooh is this where we send Discord messages? I can do that too!" Then show him pics of Lister confirming the subscription BS but I think that's a point where mods step in
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Regardless of people badmouthing Li$ter, it does not warrant a fucking 15$ pricetag and it's an excuse for a scam.
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That should be your point.
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Random people saying you doxxed someone is not an excuse to scam the entire Doom community.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/26/2021 4:11 PM
kekz
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So how many knows about this listeronum stuff now?
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/26/2021 4:12 PM
oop oop
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Everyone?
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/26/2021 4:12 PM
I started something
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#doom's popping off
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Fluffy
Everyone?
Anyone who saw that channel in this moment I guess
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Well F
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Simps will be simps
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Chads will be chads
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/26/2021 4:14 PM
I'm waiting for confirmation if I can send the incriminating messages
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checkmate bitch
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What server is that btw?
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/26/2021 4:19 PM
Romero's Discord
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we all ganging up on hi mit's funny
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I see, and yeah this dude has been lying at least 5 times now
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/26/2021 4:20 PM
I have checkmated him
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Waiting from his response about me wanting to play a Dusted pandemonic mod instead of LSD on listeronum
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Guess he got Ace Attorney'ed
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Complexity is also getting an interesting update soon
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And I guess that is also on their totally unfair shitlist
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/26/2021 4:23 PM
should I tell them about the DRM?
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Who is Kinnerokhn, part fo LSD? (edited)
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/26/2021 4:24 PM
some Lister crony
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So shouldn't he already know then?
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/26/2021 4:24 PM
nah nah
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I meant tell the whole server bout it
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Also wasn't this stuff supposed to be leaked later?
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Or is that too late?
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But I mean it's up to you
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Use it as a counter for his dumbass lies
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Also prepare the fact that this info is gonna be known everywhere soon cos people will definitely share that stuff
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/26/2021 4:27 PM
@Frax314 whaddya think
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup
Waiting from his response about me wanting to play a Dusted pandemonic mod instead of LSD on listeronum
WHY
16:28
Also... mayyyyybe. Only if he calls you out as a Mifu crony or shit (edited)
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BUT WHY DID YOU BRING UP CF
16:28
Oh wait.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/26/2021 4:28 PM
I wanted to see if he'd spill the DRM
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He'll get himself banned!
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/26/2021 4:28 PM
he didn't
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unfortunately
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GET HIM BANNED VIA CF
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/26/2021 4:29 PM
what how
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Make him breakdown about CF
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/26/2021 4:29 PM
I already said "what if I wanna play DP mod instead of Botral Doubural"
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he remained dodgy about the question
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I see
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Well if he says you are not genuine and a crony, get my screenshots and say an informer helped you out so to speak...
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People will hate the subscriptionware, oh yeah.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/26/2021 4:31 PM
chat went dormant
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but I should be prepared to tell every single Russian who tries to flash me gore that I've given them incriminating evidence to the KGB
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup
chat went dormant
Good
16:32
People will see
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And with ease
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/26/2021 4:35 PM
Can I at least tell my personal friend group who has no connections to Complex Doom at all
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But how into Doom are they
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/26/2021 4:39 PM
They know about Doom pretty well, but not enough Doom modding
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they probably barely know Complex Doom is a thing
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Fine then
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/26/2021 4:39 PM
yay
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Can I have the names though? Just absolutely in the case
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/26/2021 4:42 PM
Vampire Princess, Dinua, Nick, Mayhem, aconfusedhuman, Gougaru, Sutercut, ARYZON, Gingleheimer, some dude who used to go by the Terry meme, Shamus, Jayboe1123, Furryguy/Guy, Ultranautix, DroomkDog, Amine, IlMentore, Sgt. Swiss, and Jim
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yeah a lot of people
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but if I find out you killed them then I will send you wet socks through telepathy (edited)
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So he is now harassing PB developer, huh?
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I am amazed at that. Is Lister really thinking he is some mafia boss?
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He is just making more people hostile towards himself.
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I don't get what you mean. He said Pa1n was interested in it?
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OH
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You mean to Caco345
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shotfan
I am amazed at that. Is Lister really thinking he is some mafia boss?
He's Diavolo, leader of Passione We're the betrayers, a.k.a We have a dream
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His DM to Cacodemon345.
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Well according to him, he could kick 345 out any time he wants as long as Pa1n agrees to his conditions -- but we all know that won't happen so easily.
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Same witch hunt shit he pulled on Schism server.
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Not this shit again.
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I have a hard time believing Sarge and Pain like the idea
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Yeah, about that
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Not that much about Sarge tbh.
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Pa1n is super private so idk.
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I am not buying into that shit until I see the actual evidence.
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same
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but as for Lister
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ye
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he a cunt
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he can't get wet
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I gtg, Shotfan see my DM to you, I'm going offline for a bit so can you do that for me?
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Posts from Sarge and Pa1n where they accept to be complicit.
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Right away.
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Frax314
I gtg, Shotfan see my DM to you, I'm going offline for a bit so can you do that for me?
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Is that a jojo reference
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this whole war against Lister is a Jojo reference
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but no one has noticed it but me
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By the way
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I am wondering how they expect to use the argument of "Doom community is so bad we put a pricetag on the sourceport" and not get laughed out of the room. (edited)
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because it's that bad
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Then get the fuck out.
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Since when such dumb claim gives you extra clown points?
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I mean
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I was joking
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didn't mean to be serious
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It was not towards you.
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even I say that this whole pay for a sourceport shit is bad
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Do not get me wrong.
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oh lmao
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I am not that dense lol
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I am just sick and tired of Lister's shit and his cocksuckers. (edited)
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But I am more appalled that there is such limited reaction to their stupid arguments.
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stupidity knows no limits
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Or apathy.
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Man I barely get the chance to stay with you guys in touch
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polys here
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how ya been mate
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/27/2021 7:43 PM
And then he dipped again 😔
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Are you alive Poly?
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I am
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I just disabled notifs
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Cuz fuck the army and their laws
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They piss me off
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So if I don't respond you know why
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Today is Sunday so I'm basically free the whole day
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But unexpected things may happen
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@Raov well we've been redirected to another regiment and it's the most beautiful one I've ever seen
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Listeronum's existance is public in John Romero's Discord now.
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But so are the arguments aganist it thanks to Bulalo and Bryina.
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Against the port?
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How is that a bad thing
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Because it was real close, if we didn't see and act people wouldn't have known it's illegal.
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Of course lol
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Lister is doing illegal things and people should do something with that
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But I didn't expect things to get THIS far
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Also, I need a little help from every one of you to brainstorm write an informative article I will go and post on the ZDoom Forums early into March. We must make sure that they treat this seriously and not just file it off as a scam, because they should rather be prepared for the worst. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SV-oBouSZ-TLGWSmCtzQlE313xrOO0388sOvtvOKAnA/edit?usp=drivesdk (edited)
First of all, I would like everyone to take in mind that you all must be prepared for the worst. If in the end all this is not as much of a threat as on paper, you will be able to breath a sigh of relief. If you file this off as nothing, but it is in fact such an overwhelming menace, all of your ...
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Google docs to the rescue
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If anyone knows how/where to contact Doomkid outside of dropping the news bombshell on Doomworld ourselves, please tell me as well. I am 100% sure he will make a video about it.
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Let's do it in the evening ok?
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We can start now if need be
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I can't rn tho (edited)
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I'm gonna give the phone to a friend of mine so I'll contact you later
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Alright imma just create a doc, anyone who wants to contribute will be able to
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Bye polyz
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Frax314
Alright imma just create a doc, anyone who wants to contribute will be able to
Lock it to invite only tho
12:16
For now at least
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You need the link anyway
Frax314 pinned a message to this channel. 02/28/2021 12:28 PM
Frax314 pinned a message to this channel. 02/28/2021 12:28 PM
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/28/2021 12:42 PM
so are we basically beginning to roll out the assault on the sourceport
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seems like it
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/28/2021 12:42 PM
and if we are can I play Razormind from Payday 2
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I chose to PM Doomkid via Doomworld's messaging.
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With a new account.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/28/2021 12:43 PM
did you get banned there
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lmao
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JSJDJJDDH not yet
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/28/2021 12:43 PM
LMao
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but is this the part where we take action against it
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and if it is can I play Razormind
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Pretty much, yeah.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/28/2021 12:43 PM
YAY
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What we must do is get Doomworld 100% aganist Li$ter.
12:44
And warn ZDF before it's too late.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/28/2021 12:44 PM
can I tell everyone I can
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So we can prevent the Brutal Doom situation all over again.
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No
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/28/2021 12:44 PM
aww
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aw fuck yeah
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Frax314
What we must do is get Doomworld 100% aganist Li$ter.
i gotchu
12:45
releasing all data i mined on him
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Nah man
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Imma just have Doomkid do a video
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He really probably will.
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And he's an esteemed Doomworld member (edited)
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/28/2021 12:46 PM
whAT NO RAOV WAIt-
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damn hes pretty big
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/28/2021 12:46 PM
You don't have to go that all in
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holy shit
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oh yes i will
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oh yes i will
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jk
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/28/2021 12:47 PM
no plEASe
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He is a real point of reference for Doomworld.
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if we got him on our side then we basically won (?)
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do we?
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As far as Doomworld goes.
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But we'll still have to warn ZDF and there is no way to help out ModDB.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/28/2021 12:48 PM
what other facets of the community can I tell
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wait
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I remembered
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/28/2021 12:49 PM
Dragonfly's one of the Prodeus devs
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I'm in the Prodeus Discord
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Don't say anything
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/28/2021 12:49 PM
oh
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He is a Doomworld user
12:49
And Doomkid's friend
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/28/2021 12:49 PM
yeah that was exactly why I brought it up...
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You just ought to share the video at most when it's up
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/28/2021 12:49 PM
aight
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"19$ dollars Listeronum card, who wants it? And remember, share, share, share. And zandrocucks -- don't get BLOCKED."
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/28/2021 12:50 PM
If you file this off as nothing, but it is in fact such an overwhelming menace, all of your community will perish, or at least its popularity forever after
Jesus christ it's just a sourceport that's doing a great injustice
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you didn't have to make it that hyperbolic (edited)
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Frax314
"19$ dollars Listeronum card, who wants it? And remember, share, share, share. And zandrocucks -- don't get BLOCKED."
actually lemme make this real
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/28/2021 12:50 PM
goddamn
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup
If you file this off as nothing, but it is in fact such an overwhelming menace, all of your community will perish, or at least its popularity forever after
Jesus christ it's just a sourceport that's doing a great injustice
I mean.
12:51
It WILL destroy the community.
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If it becomes popular.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/28/2021 12:51 PM
at best it will just become a Doom community Cold War
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As the previous modders will all be banned
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/28/2021 12:51 PM
and it probably won't touch NuDoom community that much (edited)
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Implying the forums' and nuDoom communities overlap--
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/28/2021 12:51 PM
lmao
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I mean the Classic Doom modding community clearly.
12:52
But if you wanna make it tamer you can try...
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Ah snap, Doomkid was last online 7 hours ago, meaning he is nightly (in respect to my timezone)
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/28/2021 12:55 PM
I wanna write some shit on the message, something like "On February 27, 2021, an incident occurred over on the Romero's Games Discord, that publicly confirms the existence of a Doom sourceport named 'Listeronum'. Promised contents of this sourceport include multi-threaded cores support, ZScript functionality, and Multiplayer support. Despite this, it was also confirmed that this will all be Paid, at the price of 15$. We have also received information that two top Doom modders, Pa1nkiller, developer of Project Brutality, and SgtMarkIV, developer of Brutal Doom, are involved with such a preposterous deal"
12:55
but I might be seen publicly
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We will start from the roots of the situation.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/28/2021 12:56 PM
oh no
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Complex Doom Drama lore
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That is, I'll make public my screenshots.
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Maybe with my name and pfp blurred out.
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blur out your timestamps btw
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/28/2021 12:57 PM
Are we sure this'll "mend" your name in the Doom community?
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Right. I don't need to mend anything. I am no modder.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/28/2021 12:57 PM
sounds like whatever Lister cronies who hated your guts would likely get riled up anyways when you make this information public (edited)
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And I'm not involved with the modding except Hunter's Moon
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/28/2021 12:58 PM
alright
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup
sounds like whatever Lister cronies who hated your guts would likely get riled up anyways when you make this information public (edited)
They can tantrum as much as they like, they won't find me anyway
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/28/2021 12:58 PM
you're willing to pretty much kamikaze whatever reputation you have to prevent a paid sourceport from ever getting out
12:59
that's some fucking commitment
12:59
but I will confirm this, during the shenanigans in Romero's Discord, no one was fine with the 15$ price tag
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/28/2021 1:00 PM
and you know let's be fuckin serious, I doubt any Doom kiddie has 15$ to spare just to get a Doom sourceport
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hell I don't have that much
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I'm gonna use it on other things
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Correct
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/28/2021 1:01 PM
so I doubt it'd get anywhere near the popularity you suggest
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and people would definitely be super fucking railed when they hear about the DRM
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(speaking of which when can I leak that)
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup
no plEASe
meanwhile at lister hq or whatever btw this contains decodable NOAA SAME data, also loud
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/28/2021 1:02 PM
tf was the thing about NOAA SAME data again
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it is decodable
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use seatty or similar to decode
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup
so I doubt it'd get anywhere near the popularity you suggest
You understimate the power of ModDBlets
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use seatty or similar to decode
Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/28/2021 1:03 PM
does it say something like "ur moms so fat she could eat the whole mcdonalds" or something
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no
13:04
just decode and see
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btw if youre on linux minimodem can do
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More accurate representation
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wait no i got a better one
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/28/2021 1:10 PM
alright yall
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/28/2021 1:10 PM
nah I just wanted to say "alright yall"
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but aside from that
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mf monika 2
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/28/2021 1:10 PM
Listeronum was meant to be released this March right
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i think so
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/28/2021 1:11 PM
AKA "literally between tomorrow and March 31"
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oh also
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do we have any updates in the Schism server
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup
AKA "literally between tomorrow and March 31"
Remember that it may also be postponed (edited)
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At which point it might come even in Summer
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/28/2021 1:15 PM
or maybe we can postpone it indefinitely
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup
and people would definitely be super fucking railed when they hear about the DRM
HeliosDrive 02/28/2021 2:06 PM
That, and the mod black/grey/whitelists
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Nothing can get the average person more riled up than a higher power playing favourites.
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Especially when it involves direct monetary consequences.
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Oh yes
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We need to include in the ZDF post that Marisa and potentially many other ZDF modders will be blacklisted
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/28/2021 2:30 PM
we should also mention that in Lister's general area people there are likely homophobic so it's a yikerz for all the progressive Doom modders
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup
tf was the thing about NOAA SAME data again
SAME is a modem-like FSK modulation thing used to transfer digital data
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they dont understand what FSK is ya know
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Frequency Shift Keying
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/28/2021 2:45 PM
you think I'm an epicks gamer slav друг like you guys?? XD
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Also I'm on phone so I can't decode that
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup
we should also mention that in Lister's general area people there are likely homophobic so it's a yikerz for all the progressive Doom modders
Oh, we will...
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/28/2021 2:46 PM
of course I don't know what an FSK shitamathingy is
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Then I'm probably gonna make your brain explode if I start explaining what it is and how it works
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tl;dr 0 is low freq 1 is high freq
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Basically you have a sine sound tone of which changes depending on bit's state
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And that tone changes quickly, the speed is measured in bits per second or baud
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mans going full theory mode damn
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SAME is around 700-something baud I think?
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530something
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Well I was wrong
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1.92ms per bit
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520.8333 baud (edited)
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The Emergency Alert System (EAS) is a national warning system in the United States, implemented since 1997, superceding the Emergency Broadcast System (EBS).
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the site itself is very useful
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What should I download to my phone
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What the fuck is happening
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Something happened yesterday at Romero's Games?
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/28/2021 2:58 PM
"On February 27, 2021, an incident occurred over on the Romero's Games Discord, that publicly confirms the existence of a Doom sourceport named 'Listeronum'. Promised contents of this sourceport include multi-threaded cores support, ZScript functionality, and Multiplayer support. Despite this, it was also confirmed that this will all be Paid, at the price of 15$. We have also received information that two top Doom modders, Pa1nkiller, developer of Project Brutality, and SgtMarkIV, developer of Brutal Doom, are involved with such a preposterous deal"
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What was the incident?
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Who started it?
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What is the evidence that Pa1n and Sarge agreed to Lister's scam?
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(Pa1n is the lead developer of PB BTW) (edited)
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What was the incident?
Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/28/2021 3:04 PM
you brainlet, READ Also Frax has the evidence regarding Pa1n and Sarge iirc
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also I """inquired""" about the port on the Discord because Kinnerkohn was a Lister simp
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a Lisimp if you will
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Shut the fuck up
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Can you just answer what exactly happened instead of giving a summary that has no direct citations?
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What did confirm the existence of Listeronum?
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Lister self advertisement?
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And yeah, I want to see Pa1n and Sarge posts, not Lister and cronies boasting about it.
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If you want to incriminate them, you fucking better be ready.
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It was someone named Kinnerokhn
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Hope i spelled that correct
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But he came to the server and spilled some beans
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I know the guy.
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Those beans
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Another asshole.
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So the beans are promotion of Listeronum?
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I think so
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if you read way above this channel you can see bulalo had a fit with him
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Which channel?
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Ah that.
15:21
uh oh
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Grey Wolf thinking aloud about LiTDoom multiplayer, complains that GZDoom has shit netcode...
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Not good.
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I hope he does not consider entering business with Lister...
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Anyway, where in RG server that incident happened? Which channel?
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Not really in the server so
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But bulalo is
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Grey Wolf thinking aloud about LiTDoom multiplayer, complains that GZDoom has shit netcode...
You can teach him
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Oh right you didn't play HM coop on GZ
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GZ netcode is not THAT shit, btw.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/28/2021 3:30 PM
iirc, GZ netcode runs a lot of shit at a time with things like DECORATE
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so pretty much impossible to run large maps like NUTS
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup
iirc, GZ netcode runs a lot of shit at a time with things like DECORATE
Bullshit
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/28/2021 3:31 PM
because, since it runs a lot of things with DECORATE, it wouldn't run well
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Hunter's Moon has ridiculous amounts of monsters
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Yet it plays like offline at 2 people
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/28/2021 3:31 PM
like, NUTS levels? (edited)
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Pretty much and everything is 3D models
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/28/2021 3:31 PM
because a thousand enemies period is fine Thousands in one frame is a problem
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If Grey Wolf does not aim for massive 8+ coop parties, which I don't think because his mod is tactical, just drop me his tag and I'll seek to illuminate him
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup
because a thousand enemies period is fine Thousands in one frame is a problem
You gotta see it to understand what I mean
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Frax
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Show the evidence of Pa1n's and Sarge's complicity
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I have no evidence of THEIR complicity
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But Li$ter mentioned them, remember?
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...I wonder what happens if we ask them if they know what Listeronum is...
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So yeah
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Do not get all riled up when I ask for evidence that we DO NOT have.
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What do you think is going to happen if we accuse Pa1n and Sarge like that, huh?
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If we do not have screenshots of their agreement, we have NOTHING. (edited)
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We only have such evidence for Lothar.
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So do not go around and throw in BD and PB into Lister's lap, or their developers are going to deny their involvement, leaving us seem like we are merely slandering them.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/28/2021 3:52 PM
But that begs the question; why did Lister mention that they were interested in the first place?
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Feels like the cunt's bluffing
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ESPECIALLY since Lister's squad allegedly doxxed a PB dev AKA a close compatriot of Pa1n
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Lister can say anything he wants, but this word is not enough.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/28/2021 3:53 PM
Oh also Kinner also said Pa1n and Mark were interested
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The interested parties need to confirm the allegations.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/28/2021 3:54 PM
Well from what I recall Mark, while probably still a narcissist is fairly active in the BD Discord
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I do not care what Lister's side says, that is irrelevant in this case.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/28/2021 3:54 PM
We could start there
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But I doubt Pa1n can be talked to
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Man barely has an online presence
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That is right.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/28/2021 3:54 PM
Hell I don't even know if he exists
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I saw some photos of him.
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I would say that he is no fictional invention lol (edited)
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/28/2021 3:55 PM
does he look like a Redditor by any chance
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Looks more like a gym rat
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/28/2021 3:55 PM
Goddamn
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hard to distinguish from Marcos
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/28/2021 3:56 PM
Oh also the dude on one of Mark's old online pfps is himself right (edited)
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The one superimposed on the nuke explosion, right.
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That should be him.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/28/2021 3:56 PM
Now that's an ego Ahahahahaha looks at my pfp
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Reject humanity
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/28/2021 3:56 PM
Return to monke
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Become scattergun
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/28/2021 3:57 PM
Close enough
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only I need no brain to function
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/28/2021 3:57 PM
Also the fuck is gonna happen to this group chat after we shitcan Lister's operation
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Burn the files
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/28/2021 3:57 PM
Like, months or even years after we successfully dick over Listeronum
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Does Brazil simply cease to be
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Do we have enough salt supplies
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/28/2021 3:58 PM
@Frax314 would you know what to do with it
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also yeah we got enough salt
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I propose this contingency:
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Nothing
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EXCEPT
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Li$ter won't just walk away defeated yknow
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So what?
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So we'll remain militant in case he tries more bullshit
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And often, information won't spread itself...
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Sure thing.
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Also, where is that drama in RG Discord?
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I am lurking there, but there is a lot of channels, you know.
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Which channel that was?
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@Sinigang the Philippine Soup
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What channel was it
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Also shotfan you can search Bulalo's messages.
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Not right now though.
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I am going to be going soon. (edited)
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I will be back on evening.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/28/2021 4:53 PM
Yeah so I basically """inquired""" about the sourceport
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Since I slept on Kinnerkohn mentioning Listeronum a good few times
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So pretty much it was public way before shit went sideways yesterday
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Of course I played stupid and when I heard the price I went "wat fiften dolar for zandorum fork??/?"
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And pretty much he said it was because Lister's a salty cunt who hates MiFu, Dusted and the rest of Clusterfuck's team so much he's goin to defy public licensing laws and moral jurisdiction to put a paywall over a sourceport
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Like not even SgtMark would stoop that low to own the H4T0RZ
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By this point I had already leaked it to the QCDE Discord
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Bryina knew already ofc
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But uh Fragbait (Steve) was understandably confused (edited)
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/28/2021 4:58 PM
Around this time I got Bryina to join in the pain train in Romero's Discord
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We also spent a good few moments of shilling Q-Zandronum 😎
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From what I recalled, literally only Kinnerkohn thought this was a good idea
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Everyone else in there was pretty much going like "bruh 15 dollars?", "but the license", "this is a scam", etc.
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I am 100% surprised two things did not happen the day after that A massive influx of Russian Lister cronies raiding the Discord and pretty much saying "Mifu cringe Lister kek" while simultaneously posting gore gifs everywhere Lister just one upping and announces Listeronum publicly
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Li$ter committing a Li$ter
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 02/28/2021 5:06 PM
Oddly enough Lister actually left the server
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Romero's Games
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Guess he was too mad they were accepting of nonbinary people
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Frax314
"19$ dollars Listeronum card, who wants it? And remember, share, share, share. And zandrocucks -- don't get BLOCKED."
meme in the making
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im fr fr
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Nice
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If we win make the NO MORE FORTNITE one :P
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i will
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its done (edited)
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rendering
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enjoj
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PURE PERFECTION
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This is some YTP master level sentence mixing
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Mind if I send it to Bryina for kicks
Frax314 pinned a message to this channel. 02/28/2021 6:40 PM
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YourpalZ3R0 02/28/2021 7:09 PM
Don't get blocked
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@YourpalZ3R0 has anything more happened in the Schism server?
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Frax about the google docs thing
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What should I write there?
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a wholesome fan fiction?
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It's the warning to ZDoom Forums
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Write anything you know about Li$ter there, presenting it in that fashion
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Hmm ok
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Frax314
@YourpalZ3R0 has anything more happened in the Schism server?
YourpalZ3R0 02/28/2021 9:29 PM
No. Aside from members like admins referencing shotfan every now and then, it's still usual business for the most part. (edited)
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So, a gore raid.
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How those braindead cocksuckers expect that tactic to help them?
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Persuading people by pissing them off with raids, such advanced propagit
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Where?
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What, again?
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What Bulalo said: I am 100% surprised two things did not happen the day after that A massive influx of Russian Lister cronies raiding the Discord and pretty much saying "Mifu cringe Lister kek" while simultaneously posting gore gifs everywhere Lister just one upping and announces Listeronum publicly
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Meanwhile Lister posts some more map previews on the LiTDoom server.
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Lister just one upping and announces Listeronum publicly Mad lad
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he's taking everyone out
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including himself
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@Frax314 Wrote a bunch of stuff in the document
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Let me know if I missed anything
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Man that manipulation part is not even funny
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Oh and don't share it as I might rewrite some of the stuff and perhaps make myself anonymous
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Would probably be best
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The first part was based on info I got from when I first joined the cf community two years ago
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While the 2nd part is from here
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Still
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I've tried LSD and it's actually somewhat interesting. Shame about the community side though
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If there was a possibility that LSD's acs would be shared it could mean someone could take over the project if things go south for them which hopefully will be the case, someone that isn't lister and without eager for revenge
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/01/2021 5:57 AM
what happened with contacting Doomkid
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/01/2021 6:36 AM
oh right
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@Frax314 Last I heard Doomkid's in Romero's Discord
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/01/2021 8:45 AM
aw fuck
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he's actually offline this time
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Frax314
Mind if I send it to Bryina for kicks
not at all
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i know nobody in the doom scene anyways lmao
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Ah fuck
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Doomkid read my PM on Doomworld, but didn't answer
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Was last online one hour ago
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Link to the doc pls
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First of all, I would like everyone to take in mind that you all must be prepared for the worst. If in the end all this is not as much of a threat as on paper, you will be able to breath a sigh of relief. If you file this off as nothing, but it is in fact such an overwhelming menace, all of your ...
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Lemme review Fluffy's stuff
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@Fluffy where is the proof of the doxxing et cetera?
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No screenshots, no mention.
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It's the rule.
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Frax314
@Fluffy where is the proof of the doxxing et cetera?
ah yes, doxing.
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my ballpark
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The real issue here is to be able to play on Listeronum's multiplayer servers you will need to pay a monthly subscription service a the cost of.... 20$ bucks. wait
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20 bucks for MP?
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No...?
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Fluffy seems to have been a bit confused there, heh
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Remember
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Prices are in the pins
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Let me adjust this a little. I will mark where we need screenshots for proof.
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Done with the first part
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Gonna do the second in a bit
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I think it would be useful if we divided the post in testimonies if possible...
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I think I should do the part about Listeronum though, having access to the most info on it, unless we do divide in testimonies like that.
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Fyi to submit proof just drop the screenshots anywhere on Discord and then copy the sharing link.
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This was an old message from the LSD server. This guy has DJB's face on it
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There was also stuff related to Killerkouhai showing naked photos
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I think
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If I ask for proof about that i'm just gonna get myself blocked
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I wasn't really there when it happened, this is all info I gathered when I first joined
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This says 20 bucks
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And 15 for veterans
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And Frax i'm pretty sure you know about the doxing stuff since you were present in the community at that time
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I did not see any of them dox.
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Doxxing is releasing private info.
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I'm pretty sure they did something related to doxxing, this is what I know about lister
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But yeah if you really need solid proof I might need to rewrite stuff a whole lot
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Also giving proof about doxxing is pretty much like saying you want to see the private info itself
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Which i'm not gonna do
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Correct, only if the thing's entirely out of the bag, which it isn't.
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Remember yall again, no proof no mention, that is the argument Li$ter has aganist us.
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Fluffy
And 15 for veterans
Oh, anyway we'll need to be clearer
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And about the raiding, sorry I don't have proof on that
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But it's absolutely clear they did it
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And also widely known
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But is there anyone unbiased to testimony it was, in fact, LSD members?
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Yeah like actual LSD member raided Cooke's server when he first created it, and it happened like a few days later
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Should've gotten some more proof though
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Yeah we'll need people to confirm for that.
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Or we can't say shit.
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Same thing with Lister&co. claiming they have swayed Sarge and Pa1n to their side.
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No proof, no belief.
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Anyone can pull that from their arse for self-aggrandizement.
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Also.... who is Doomkid?
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I did tell Big Doomworld user and Doom youtuber
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I asked him if he wanted to know about a soon-to-be coming controversy, but he saw without responding.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/02/2021 2:20 AM
@Frax314 he's in Romero's Discord
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I'll see if I could talk to him bout it
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No wait
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Let's see if he responds later maybe
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/02/2021 1:27 PM
uh
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it's been 3 hours
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has he responded
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/02/2021 2:14 PM
@Frax314 has the man responded
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/02/2021 4:56 PM
Bruh
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/03/2021 2:26 PM
nothing yet?
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Nope
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damn shits silent
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/03/2021 2:28 PM
bRUH
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We should probably take another course of action
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Doomkid ignored me entirely.
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Well fuck
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/03/2021 2:40 PM
hmm
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wonder if he's active...
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I might be able to talk to him because he's in Romero's Discord
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Wait Bulalo
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Lemme think
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/03/2021 2:42 PM
well take your time
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cus Doomkid's inactive
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he might be invisible
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but yeah grey circle
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Alright you can try messaging him. This time however, unlike me, give as much info as possible, as precise as possible, and don't get BLOCKED and remember however to keep this group chat and its members a secret...
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/03/2021 3:38 PM
ugh why me...
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alright I'll see what I can do
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ACTUALLY
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Use the data you should know from your message history in Romero's Discord
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Then say you got "informed" for the details you wouldn't
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/03/2021 3:42 PM
okie
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uh
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this is what I sent to him
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heyo stuff went down in Romero's Discord about a paid sourceport called "Listeronum", that promised quality of life features and advancements over GZDoom and Zandronum it's similar to Zandronum but with added ZScript compatibility and multicore-threading the issue here is, however, is that this is a paid sourceport its price is at 15$
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should I add anythign
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@Frax314
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@Frax314 pLEASe
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I added this
and I believe that the community would definitely not like a sourceport that its developers consider is a "creme de la creme" of sourceports as a paid sourceport, for 15 dollars no less
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should I tell him about the supposed DRM
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@Frax314 PLEASE
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HE CAN RESPOND AT ANY MOMENT HELP MY ASS
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DO I SAY EVERYTHING
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@Frax314
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WHY DID HE GO OFFLINE AT THE WORST FUCKING TIME
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Can ANYONE ELSE HELP ME
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yeah i can
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/03/2021 3:51 PM
WHAT SHOULD I SAY
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This is what I've said so far
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heyo stuff went down in Romero's Discord about a paid sourceport called "Listeronum", that promised quality of life features and advancements over GZDoom and Zandronum it's similar to Zandronum but with added ZScript compatibility and multicore-threading the issue here is, however, is that this is a paid sourceport its price is at 15$ and I believe that the community would definitely not like a sourceport that its developers consider is a "creme de la creme" of sourceports as a paid sourceport, for 15 dollars no less I was also told some other unsavory things about this sourceport rumors regarding a supposed DRM system, some sortof blacklist that only allowed certain mods to be played with the sourceport's 15$ price while someone else in the Discord had said that you could play everything at the base price, I still wouldn't be sure about it, not to mention that all of this from the pricetag is already a violation of the GPL license, not to mention that the creator is willingly not going to make the port open source because of supposed "drama" between the section of the Doom community he's in
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GUYS
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DON'T LEAVE ME IN THE DARk
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cool they left me in the dark
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whatcha need
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/03/2021 3:55 PM
what else should I say other than "I think you would be the best person to talk to about this situation"
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ok cool
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I guess this'll do for now
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Yeah
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/03/2021 4:01 PM
FINALLY
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THANK GOD
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That is fine
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/03/2021 4:01 PM
IT TOOK YOU FOR FUCKING EVER
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well, since he seems keen on avoiding you, and no doubt you probably told him something similar to "paid sourceport evil" to him on Doomworld then we should scour for other options in the meantime
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...Frax
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oop he DIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIISAAAAAAAAAAPPEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAARED INTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THE NIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT again
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup
well, since he seems keen on avoiding you, and no doubt you probably told him something similar to "paid sourceport evil" to him on Doomworld then we should scour for other options in the meantime
No no
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I did not actually mention what the thing was exactly yet Hence why I hope for this one chance more
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/03/2021 4:09 PM
ok then...
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AKA I did a dudumbo
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/03/2021 4:09 PM
but if this fails... what now?
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That ZDF post will go on Doomworld too.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/03/2021 4:09 PM
oh
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riiight...
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I forgot it existed
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Doomkid is just an extra edge
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/03/2021 4:10 PM
I was gonna do some internal monologue about it if it failed to get through lmfao
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I was gonna go "War... has changed" as everyone discovers in real time Complex Clusterfuck can't be played on 15$ software
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/03/2021 4:12 PM
oh god he's gonna DIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIISAAAAAAAAAAPPEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAR INTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THE NIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT again
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I heard that in my head lol
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damn
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panik
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/04/2021 2:37 AM
nothin yet
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/04/2021 10:55 AM
got it
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we good
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fuckin perfect (edited)
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/04/2021 11:07 AM
I have sent him all evidence
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should I show him the subscriptionware shit, the prices + DoomKrakken taking our side
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subscriptionware yes (edited)
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prices yes
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/04/2021 11:11 AM
okok
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but im not gonna say anything on the community stuff
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ill let others decide
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/04/2021 11:22 AM
hey @Frax314 it went through
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HELL YEAH
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We got 'm
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ladies and mentlegen, we got doomkid (edited)
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The power of Doomworld supremacists will help us :DDDDD
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oh shit wait
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A Doomworlder scorned can do anything lelelelel
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some people pay $60 monthly for this shit
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nah i give up
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lol
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/04/2021 11:32 AM
kek
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Good thing happun!
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Bulalo, screenshot me the extra info you gave to him now
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In case some are a little too secret even for this
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ready to dump the data
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just gimme the word
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Bruhhh
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/04/2021 11:46 AM
no shit related to the information we have on Lister because SOMEONE POKED HIS HEAD WHERE HE SHOULDN'T
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@Frax314
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I mean does it really matter
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I already told him
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I requested him for Brazil to remain anonymous snicker and he complied
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oh and as well as me
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I don't want obese racist and homophobic Russians on my ass all day long
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ill help you get em off if need be
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/04/2021 11:49 AM
Raov if you send them to the KGB and into the [REDACTED] on [REDACTED] then I would be eternally grateful
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H E L L Y E A H
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I can't believe we pulled it off this well. Let's hope for the best
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Also Bulalo
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If you can, tell him he can inspect Kinnerkohn's messages for their own words. (edited)
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/04/2021 2:33 PM
I already tossed him all the pics of what happened in Romero's Discord
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Aight
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What is AFA?
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as far I think
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/04/2021 3:56 PM
AFA I know it means "as far as"
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Thanks. So what now? (edited)
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/04/2021 4:00 PM
we wait
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if Lister ever finds our bitchasses then we'll survive
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by being dead
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in pretend
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let the eternity begin
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup
if Lister ever finds our bitchasses then we'll survive
nah we fight
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at least i do (edited)
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Raov
let the eternity begin
Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/04/2021 4:01 PM
don't you mean eviternity
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Raov
nah we fight
Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/04/2021 4:01 PM
sees pfp looks back at comment yeah sure
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Somebody watches TTS
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That is fine
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup
sees pfp looks back at comment yeah sure
want me to reveal one of his passwords?
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We can just pull a Lion
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and live under a rock
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im already under a rock
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Raov
want me to reveal one of his passwords?
Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/04/2021 4:02 PM
sure you can reveal one of his passwords, but can you reveal your INNER FIGHTING SPIRIT!!!!
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well you said so (edited)
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027c[redacted] (edited)
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ENTRY HAS BEEN PURGED BY A REQUEST OF HOLY INQUISITION (edited)
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027c1748 but nobody expects the doxxing inquisition (edited)
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DO NOT OPEN UNIDENTIFIED SOURCEPORTS
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actually thats his old password
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MAY CONTAIN CYBERDAEMONS
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oh wait
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CYBERDÆMONS (edited)
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METASTRONIC PRESENCE DETECTED
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revealing passes each new message KVWfb6
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might be active on some platforms, untested (edited)
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yes i have tested some
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Lol.
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lister19@list.ru
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his email
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do what you want with it (edited)
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Bruhh
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I don't think so
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Frax314
I don't think so
dont think thats his email you mean?
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/04/2021 4:23 PM
I will post him images of cute cats
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/04/2021 4:24 PM
I won't
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but first
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/04/2021 4:24 PM
but if I wanted to I would
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i mean dont do it just yet
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let the situation spiral up first after doomkid makes a vid
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/04/2021 4:24 PM
ok
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then go fuckin wild
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/04/2021 4:24 PM
glad I told him about the release date and that it may get delayed
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or else he would've went all triggerhappy
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actually
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do i go scare him a bit?
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from a burner email
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Raov
dont think thats his email you mean?
Yeah
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oh boy i can confirm (edited)
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gimme a sec
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shiet mans changed his pass
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sad
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but the email is still valid, as i attempted logins to twitter, mail.ru (russian gmail) and some other service i cant remember anymore
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?????
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and
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they succeeded
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You had got his fucking password
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B R U H
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it was in a leak
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Login and see his private shit lol
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Raov
it was in a leak
haveibeenpwned?
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got blocked off by antihaxor shit
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Frax314
haveibeenpwned?
it doesnt reveal the pass
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Hmm But why
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W H Y
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oh and the vk pass got leaked
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i can try logging in but since its basically a government-backed facebook clone i dont wanna risk it (edited)
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fuck it
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yolo
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w h a t
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yeah he changed the pass everywhere
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vk fails
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Hmmmmmmmm
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Why are you doing this?
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scaring tactic
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Ah whatever
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I do not approve.
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We do not need this.
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This is bloody nuts Don't
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Hacking into his accounts is going too far.
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Leave it.
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nah i am not going to hack into his accounts
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thats a nono
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but if and when required it will be used as a scare tactic
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Figuring out his passwords and logging as him is hacking.
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i did not manage to do anything before i got blocked off, so doesnt count as hacking yet
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Just do not try it at all.
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im not (edited)
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YourpalZ3R0 03/04/2021 6:45 PM
Next thing you tell me you're doxxing him to scare him.
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If we try any sort of malicious operations like this we wouldn't be any better than them you know.
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im not releasing it to the public unless there is no other choice
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in other words, last resort
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and yeah i understand that
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And what that situation would exactly be?
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i got no idea yet
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Yet?
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You do not have an excuse to use any of that.
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yet well see how the situation evolves and base from there
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I do not imagine any reason that would justify collecting this data.
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Releasing Lister's private information is not going to help our cause at all.
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i am not releasing it
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under any circumstance
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only to him
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Even then.
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YourpalZ3R0 03/04/2021 6:48 PM
You think some russian nut job is going to care that you know his location anyways?
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there is a possibility
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YourpalZ3R0 03/04/2021 6:49 PM
Hell, it's only reasons for him to call us out and make us look like the shit bags in the situation.
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And more fuel to his "the community is shit so I am not releasing the sourceport for free" drivel. (edited)
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Exactly
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shotfan
And more fuel to his "the community is shit so I am not releasing the sourceport for free" drivel. (edited)
easier to sue/take the port down under gpl violation (edited)
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We do not need his private data.
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He is digging the grave for his reputation already with his shitfits.
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Yeah he'll do himself in
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/05/2021 2:34 AM
"guys trust me I'm only entering his private accounts and addresses to scare him!"
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Bulalo any updates on Doomkid? Did he say or ask anything more?
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/05/2021 11:08 AM
nope
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he said what I sent him was more than enough
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guess now we just patiently wait
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/05/2021 11:08 AM
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup
"guys trust me I'm only entering his private accounts and addresses to scare him!"
that was actually my primary intent
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but lets not discuss that further
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/05/2021 11:09 AM
facepalm
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Let's keep him updated in case of major but disclosable events
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/05/2021 11:22 AM
"major- Raov: hastily brings up personal information recovered on Lister -but disclosable events" Raov: immediately hides it again
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/05/2021 1:03 PM
Me when some Russians in mommy's slav basement announce a brand spanking new Doom engine that does a bunch of good shit at a steep price releasing this month
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HeliosDrive 03/05/2021 1:04 PM
Ooh, 40KTTS references
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Love it
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Bulalo did you tell Doomkid the release was slated for about this month?
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YOU THOUGHT IT WAS ALPHARION
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BUT IT WAS ME, OMEGON!
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Frax314
Bulalo did you tell Doomkid the release was slated for about this month?
Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/05/2021 2:05 PM
Yep
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Aight imma fix up Fluffy's testimony in the to-be ZDF post
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Since we don't got the evidence
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@shotfan it would be useful if you also added your own testimony regarding the literal corruption that went down on Schism's Discord.
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Also Fluffy if you got more certain info you should expand that more since it... suffered a heavy loss in content, heh
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Meanwhile I'm sitting in front of one of writers' PCs when it's 12 AM here lmao
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Fucking trying to reflash a damn phone
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youre ballin out there
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I decided to take a break
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how did they even let you do that
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like
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bruh
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Well uhh how do I explain
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I have been elected to guard our military park
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And we were just walking around guarding the area but nobody was there so we said "fuck it, I know a place, let's go", so I'm here now
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literally nothing to do
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god damn youre extra balling
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dip included
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Not joking
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I could've taken a photo but it is against the military laws
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meanwhile im most likely exempt from military service, all thanks to my disabilities
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A friend of mine here says that his home is 400km away from your home city
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he in chelyabinsk or something? (edited)
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Yes, Chelyabinsk
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Anyway I'm trying to reset the screen lock password on a Samsung phone
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it is a fucking pain in the ass
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I can't enable USB debugging nor flash TWRP
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@polyzium you can now make a VPS out of a google colab session
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For how long?
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havent tested yet
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Colab allows for 12 hrs max last time I tried
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when testing Jukebox
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https://colab.research.google.com/drive/1E7mFKCPazu-fSW6NTRQJVHNIz4SCK2Pr copy this to your gdrive, run the script, get registered on ngrok, copy-paste the token, and youre done
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mining time
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Oh fuck
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Are you gonna mine bitcoin for fucking real?
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maybe LTC
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whatever is most profitable per share
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Uh oh someone owes google money
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dun care m8
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Lmfao I'm actually glad that I'm here
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Bruh take this to PMs lel
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Instead of sleeping I'm sitting in front of the PC doing my civilian things
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@Frax314 Hey don't hesitate to join us
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Join you in what?
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Join the discussion because we're bored
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It's 0:45
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Btw any updates on that mother of scum that is Lister?
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We got Doomkid in the know, which is good
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He will warn Doomworld likely
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Is he gonna make a video about it?
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We're also prepping the ZDF warning post.
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polyzium
Is he gonna make a video about it?
Possibly
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And hopefully
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Looking forward to that
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same here
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Farhan - our lead spriter - let us know that Lothar wants him to work on the Schism "game".
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Farhan also said that he is going to prioritize LiTDoom.
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Who's Lothar?
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and what is Schism?
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Lothar is the lead developer of Schism.
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And Schism is a multiclass Brutal Doom rebalance mod.
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I see
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(Lord) Lothar had a viedo call with Romero, and got a "patronage" from John towards remaking Schism into a standalone game.
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I used to be a moderator on Schism server, until one incident involving Lister made it apparent that Lothar is ear-deep in Lister's scam operation. I abandoned the server in an act of protest. (edited)
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Fucking sons of bitches
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Did Lister reveal his work?
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What do you mean?
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He has been posting mapping showcase on the LiTDoom server, where I am a part of the staff.
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I had confronted him there, and Lister kept repeating his usual spiel of "the sourceport is going to be so good, everyone will comply to being ripped off". (edited)
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he got the reputation he deserved right?
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Nobody really cared.
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so uh (edited)
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about that mining idea
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it works
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Dümp it.
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Classic
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Farhan - our lead spriter - let us know that Lothar wants him to work on the Schism "game".
Well fuck
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/06/2021 11:56 AM
suddenly wondering if Sarge Mark has his own spriting team for BF
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and whether or not if he's gonna credit them after they become filthy rich and famous :notsorlag:
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Farhan said: He created that server for the standalone schism thingy
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Is anyone able to peek in
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@YourpalZ3R0 Report
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YourpalZ3R0 03/06/2021 9:08 PM
I don't really see the point in being so curious. but he's basically making an overly ambitious doom clone but apparently pseudo open world and shit. With mixes of cultural mythos for enemies so something like blasphemous in how it involves religious myth and the likes. So hexen, blasphemous, doom, schism... It just sounds like one of these brain storming concepts I'd throw on you for games, shotfan.
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It is overly ambitious and practically pointless and will probably remain in dev hell for decades at this point.
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There's no concrete foundation yet aside from concept art drawn by Lothar.
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I see
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Many Doom modders try ambitious shit like this
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You know Zero, you are the only one from us who have seen anything about it.
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But you make it sound like a typical Lothar's case of stretching resources too thin.
22:33
Thanks for relaying the info. (edited)
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If I would make a bet, he's probably going to do some tiny progress in like two years and abandon it
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The concept art seems promising but it is no more than concept art.
22:34
I am not forming any opinion until I see actual foundations being built.
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But you make it sound like a typical Lothar's case of stretching resources too thin.
He did stuff like that before?
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With Schism.
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Yes, the mod is currently facing feature bloat.
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And they are planning two more classes...when they haven't even finished the main two.
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Right now, they are developing the fourth character class, Corvus/Heretic.
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Ha, the same problem Li$ter has...
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Lothar is an artist, with that comes great ambition. I can understand that. But, sometimes it's too much.
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And there are two more underway, the Assassin and the Technician.
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Plus all this work on the new enemies.
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And giving the Sorcerer even more stuff.
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It would be fine if they finished paladin and mage.
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That would be already rivaling Hexen in content.
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But Lothar keeps getting inspired by new things and is eager to add them to the mod.
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They're stretching out everything, like focusing on adding one liners and voice acting for example. A miscellaneous feature, I helped him in it and contacted a friend of mine to help him but it doesn't mean I agree with it.
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He should focus on one goal then the next.
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The friend I am thinking about?
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Not adding so many fucking pointless features that take time.
22:37
Grayveil? Yes.
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Ah no.
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I meant D3athStalker.
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Ah, nah. D3athstalker has a heavy Turkish accent.
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Grayveil, while slavic, mastered that edgy American accent.
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So he is perfect for that sort of thing
22:38
Let me forward a sample for example
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Oh, you mean original voice acting, not lines from the commerical games.
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Oh no, original voice acting.
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I even wrote some of the lines.
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He's making some for each class.
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Schism is just going to turn into project brutality at some point.
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YourpalZ3R0
Let me forward a sample for example
discord hates m4a files I guess
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/07/2021 2:35 AM
Gee, open world?
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That's some grade A feature creep
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YourpalZ3R0 03/07/2021 2:48 AM
You tell me.
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Strife: Pathetic
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/08/2021 2:01 AM
any updates
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/08/2021 3:06 PM
F
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YourpalZ3R0 03/08/2021 6:31 PM
I'm pretty sure if there are updates they will tell you Bul, lol.
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updated our journal
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I have added the summary of the shitstorm that went down on the Schism server. (edited)
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Nice
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/09/2021 6:06 AM
Virgin Lothar Lets some Russian dickwad vibe in his Discord exempt from all legal action because he was coaxed into his miracle sourceport scheme Refuses to listen to reason Good art does not make him exempt from being bigoted himself sucks Lister's tiny dick hard CHAD QCDE Discord mods Bans Jason Grant for going too far even if they agree upon certain beliefs Provides compelling arguments and valid points when faced with quarrel Can't be bigoted if you can't draw 😎 Has all the right to simp for DBT because he made Quake 4: Lightning Fast Mod: Doom Edition (edited)
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Ehhh
09:52
I just talked with Bryina yesterday evening
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Banning Jason killed the mood for him
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He's considering resigning as a moderator because of the stricter rules
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I can't believe how popularity ruined it
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HeliosDrive 03/09/2021 9:55 AM
Popularity ruined which game?
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The QCDE Discord
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Bryina quitting's gonna kill it to an extent tbh
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As in, it won't be the same
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HeliosDrive 03/09/2021 9:57 AM
I see
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I quit so I didn't have to spectate to this
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HeliosDrive 03/09/2021 9:58 AM
It's been pretty stable from my perspective.
09:58
Then again, I'm not exactly privy to higher-up mod info and whatnot.
09:58
I am a bit annoyed at the prioritisation of KET over finishing up Custom Champion Support for QCDE
09:59
Kinda feels like DBT is sacrificing the long-term sustainment of the latter... (edited)
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... just so he can use the former flaunt how much better he can design Doom Eternal than Id. (edited)
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But yeah KET has been ruining everything since its announcement sadly
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Aye
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He's starting to sound like Masterz in his KET showcase vids, IAH.
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That probably doesn't mean anything out of context, so I guess I should've used a Doom modder as the example.
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HeliosDrive
That probably doesn't mean anything out of context, so I guess I should've used a Doom modder as the example.
Can agree it doesn't
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Fair
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Masterz is basically the Graf of the Halo modding community.
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Except his claim to fame is a TC mod - SPV3 - instead of a Doom source port.
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I think DBT just feels really invaded by the PR
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He was always reserved, now he has to pump out videos or the ModDBlets start complaining
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Perhaps
10:21
I just find it annoying with how he justifies some of his design choices.
10:22
The Cacodemon ones being a notable sticking point.
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He justifies not allowing Stickybombs to send Cacos in a GK state by arguing that it trivialises them as an enemy, ignoring several key aspects: (edited)
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Actually, I believe the reason is because of how Doom maps are made
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With mass Cacos?
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They aren't made with Cacos being instakillable in mind
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It's kinda like if you made zombiemen as resilient as in 2016 in D4T
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The only time he brought up maps was when he discussed his reasons for removing the Caco's lunge.
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He argued that slaughtermaps tend to sic entire flocks of Cacos on the player, which would make them virtually unplayable with all these Cacos flinging themselves at the player (edited)
10:36
Which, IMO, is all the more reason for allowing Stickybombs to GK-state Cacos, since that'd be the perfect counter for those large flocks.
10:36
As well as:
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A. They're trivialised by design in Eternal, since they're a starter enemy meant to clearly communicate the weakpoint/weapon weakness system. B. They can still be lethal when incorporated into large Demon hordes C. Most of Doom's enemies (besides its bosses) are designed to be taken out in a short timespan when exploiting their tailored weaknesses, buffed enemies notwithstanding (edited)
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And this kind of problem is why Eternal shouldn't be ported to Classic in the first place except as an experiment like EoA
10:37
KET was a mistake Embrace QCDE
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Frax314
KET was a mistake Embrace QCDE
Amen to that
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Although
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I will levy one complaint towards QCDE.
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DBT's overly arbitrary criteria when it comes to accepting characters as official QCDE champs.
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Specifically, his decree that the champ needs to fit within QCDE's "gritty" aesthetic
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Subjective though
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Just like the decision itself...
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Perhaps
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While KET's unsustainability is deep-rooted
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I just think that he forgets that you kinda have to forgo having a consistent aesthetic when you're making a crossover between multiple, often starkly-different properties.
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Prime example being the Champion sprites.
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Yeah now lemme check the ZDF post doc...
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@shotfan That's... pretty non-anonymous. You don't really need to be anonymous for this, if it's so transparent, heh. Well-written however.
10:47
Also, the screenshot links if possible later
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Frax314
Banning Jason killed the mood for him
Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/09/2021 12:42 PM
well that wouldn't make him a mod now would it :notsorlag:
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HeliosDrive
I am a bit annoyed at the prioritisation of KET over finishing up Custom Champion Support for QCDE
Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/09/2021 12:43 PM
honestly, time-wise it's a better investment
12:43
Zandronum playerbase is near nonexistent especially where I'm in (edited)
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while KET is more SP oriented
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But QCDE is PvE too
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/09/2021 12:46 PM
it can be
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It is
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/09/2021 12:47 PM
but honestly people were probably more attracted to the PvP aspect
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Coop is unrefined but SP feels like Q1
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/09/2021 12:47 PM
I suppose
12:47
but I mean Singleplayer wise do you really need more champions?
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y e s
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup
but honestly people were probably more attracted to the PvP aspect
I was the opposite
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I play QCDE for the PvE
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A lot of discussion has been made, I see.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/09/2021 12:48 PM
mostly QCDE related
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First off: Frax, I guess some people involved with Schism can detect me, but I do not give a shit.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/09/2021 12:48 PM
and as such I will spam :notsorlag: for the unironic meme
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shotfan
First off: Frax, I guess some people involved with Schism can detect me, but I do not give a shit.
Alright
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I just claim anonymity for the time being.
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I can reveal myself all the same.
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Makes sense
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I also play QCDE for PvE.
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And yeeeeah, what character thematic consistency is there at all?
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/09/2021 12:50 PM
I feel like one way or another this is going to devolve into a "why make KET when EOA Eternal exists????????????????????"
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When you have guys like... that eldritch blob of flesh, Duke and Lucienne together?
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup
I feel like one way or another this is going to devolve into a "why make KET when EOA Eternal exists????????????????????"
lolno
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Or Caleb alongside Sam? Or Wang with Postalguy?
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lolno
Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/09/2021 12:50 PM
alright
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So lmao
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/09/2021 12:51 PM
I dunno I'll still stand by that KET will probably be a better time investment
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I mean, the originals are all somewhat gritty/Quakey, but yea
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I am with Romero's Bitch that DBT design choices are lost on me.
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Specifically, the D4T streamlining update.
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Huh? The D4T update was good imo.
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I was not happy to see actual Doom 4 content stripped.
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I do not care about his notion of balance if he does not include everything from there.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/09/2021 12:52 PM
I was :notsorlag:
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I don't like all the MP weapons
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And he had basically no argument.
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The only problem is that there is no mod with all the MP weapons except less than excellent ones
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You did not.
12:53
Whereas there were people that wanted all the toys.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/09/2021 12:53 PM
if he had simply enabled a toggle which enabled PvE only guns, PvP only guns, or PvP + PvE guns then I would've had no bloody problem
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Yes Frax, so no thanks to DBT.
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Exactly Bulalo.
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I was annoyed at his justification for the Microwave Beam.
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Not specifically that it could only work on GZDoom when he was making a mod for Zandronum.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/09/2021 12:53 PM
I wasn't :notsorlag:
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But he threw out the baby with all the bathwater. (edited)
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But rather comments like "Hugo Martin didn't pick it up first when he played his stream" (edited)
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Because selective arsenal toggles are so hard to do, right?
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/09/2021 12:54 PM
even the pro Doom Eternal players admit the Microwave Beam sucked and was trash compared to other more superior options
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shotfan
Because selective arsenal toggles are so hard to do, right?
They are though, but they are necessary in such cases sadly
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/09/2021 12:55 PM
hell I'd even say Mobile Turret's better, and Mobile Turret turns your Chaingun bullets into Nerf darts
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What pro players think != what developers think
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The only D4 demake mod that probably has everything is D4D, BUT Cooke made it into such a damn mess and is not true anymore to the original game.
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You can't just draw assumptions based on what a dev does in a livestream.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/09/2021 12:55 PM
well, the devs did say it depended on playstyle
12:55
we could even say DBT took this to the extreme and modded in his ideal playstyle
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even the pro Doom Eternal players admit the Microwave Beam sucked and was trash compared to other more superior options
12:56
no fucking way
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/09/2021 12:56 PM
yeah...
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just PB Rocket
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or Arb/Dblade spam
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or Lock-On
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That is what you get for mindlessly ripping off Serious Sam 3's Sirian Gauntlet.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/09/2021 12:56 PM
or anything else really
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even the fucking Auto Shotgun is better
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because at least it dealt damage
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And turns out, even THAT got trashed by the time the sequel came out, figures.
12:57
I have been talking since the beginning that that mod should have been just a full-fledged lightning gun, not some gimped half-measures.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/09/2021 12:57 PM
all this thing does with its sUpER AdVAncED TeChnIqUe is stun someone in place for about a second, when you could've simply deleted him out of existence
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although honestly it is fun catching off Whiplashes with it
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for shits and giggles
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That, AND the Doom 4's PR mods had been prefectly fine, just like the ones for RL which were retained for Doom 5.
12:58
And yeah duh
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ASG is ASG
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Self-explanatory.
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Actually the stun bomb is obsolete to the Ice Grenade
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So it had to be reworked regardless
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/09/2021 12:59 PM
honestly with the new tech made with the new quickswitching options, any stun option is obsolete
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I mean, everything is obsolete if you can just Ballista good enough, that gun is such an all rounder...
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/09/2021 1:00 PM
when some Under the Mayo simp comes up and tells people how epic of a weapon the Microwave Beam is, the people over at the Battlemode Discord will destroy them with facts and logic
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pretends to have context
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Oh yeah Under the Mayo
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HeliosDrive 03/09/2021 1:00 PM
Nobody needs to be destroyed
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/09/2021 1:00 PM
quickswitch combos are the most optimal method in taking out anything
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Yeah Frax but you know
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The Stun Bomb was there first.
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HeliosDrive 03/09/2021 1:01 PM
That's just a very hostile way of teaching people
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That guy said DMC5 was easier and less skillful than DE
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Can't take him seriously
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HAHAHAHAHA
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HAHAHAHAHAH
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My sides
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Anything else?
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Nah he just plays a lot of DE and says hot takes
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Ignored
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By the way
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/09/2021 1:02 PM
clearly he's never fought Dante as Vergil
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HeliosDrive 03/09/2021 1:02 PM
They turned the Stun Bomb into the Ice Bomb
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/09/2021 1:02 PM
bitch has an instant god mode button too
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup
clearly he's never fought Dante as Vergil
Damn right, but don't spoil shotfan, he has not played the game yet D:
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HeliosDrive 03/09/2021 1:02 PM
Which makes sense IMO
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If id wanted a third shoulder cannon mode, they could have included the Static Cannon fire.
13:03
But no, do some meaningless feature shuffling and damage one of the base weapons in the process, lmao
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Actually, LG altfire for Plasma would've been best I believe
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And I mean actual LG
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Exactly what I mean.
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Ice/Stun Bomb is better as a grenade tbh (edited)
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For teh multitasking
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Yeah I have not played DMC5 yet, but I am familiar enough with the series that I know that claiming that Doom has more advanced combat than it is fucking bollocks.
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nuDoom combat is trying, yes, but still in its infancy compared to the actual stylish slashers. (edited)
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HeliosDrive 03/09/2021 1:06 PM
I'd say Doom has some parallels to the likes of DMC
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Both have their difficulties in different contexts
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There is a clear error in UtM's statements. He very clearly used UV as the DE standard, but you should compare it with Son of Sparda instead
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And Son of Sparda is definitely harder than DE UV.
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HeliosDrive 03/09/2021 1:07 PM
In DMC and whatnot, your goal is to eliminate enemies in as flashy a manner as possible, hence you rack up combos with mostly weak attacks and the occasional strong attack without outright killing given enemies.
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And DMD is d e f i n i t e l y harder than Nightmare
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Yeah, Ultraviolence = Son of Sparda = hard difficulty equivalent.
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HeliosDrive 03/09/2021 1:09 PM
In Doom Eternal, your goal is to eliminate enemies as efficiently as possible, exploiting your own movement capabilites, enemy vulnerabilities and your arsenal's capabilities to mow them down as quickly and brutally as possible. (edited)
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I ate DE's final level on Nightmare no problem, but with a maxed out Vergil even the first levels of DMD are hell.
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Nightmare is the closest to Dante Must Die.
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In Doom Eternal, your goal is to eliminate enemies as efficiently as possible, exploiting your own movement capabilites, enemy vulnerabilities and your arsenal's capabilities to mow them down as quickly and brutally as possible. (edited)
They are just different ways to add difficulty, in the end, the challenge is equivalent
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HeliosDrive 03/09/2021 1:10 PM
Aye
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I'm more speaking from the design goals of the game.
13:11
Dante would criticise the Doom Slayer for not putting some creative flair into his demon extermination
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Doom Slayer (if he could talk) would scold Dante for doing a demon hunter's equivalent of playing with his food. (edited)
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You can be efficient in DMC too, it's just freeform in its fundamentals. While in DE the fundamentals are strict, but you can be stylish with the tools you have.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/09/2021 1:12 PM
Dante: "Hey tough guy! Why dontcha' put some flare into your killin' huh?" Doomguy: proceeds to annihilate an entire Mancubus within seconds Dante: "Alright fair enough"
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A smooth disarm and immediate kill of an Arachnotron is as stylish as a combo in DMC in my book, just less "original" because it does not use FG components.
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Aaaand... easier.
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HeliosDrive 03/09/2021 1:13 PM
Aye
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/09/2021 1:13 PM
PB Rocketting a Mancubus within seconds would earn you the rank of SADISTIC SEARING SLAYER!
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HeliosDrive 03/09/2021 1:18 PM
Doomed Cruel Bloodthirsty ANNIHILATOR SLAUGHTERER SKULL SPLITTER
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Ehem
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Doomslayer: [double taps with SSG double blast] Dante: "Watch this." [Gun Stinger -> Point Blank] Doomslayer: [love stare] (edited)
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HeliosDrive 03/09/2021 1:22 PM
wooow!
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PB Rocketting you mean the triple volley?
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HeliosDrive 03/09/2021 1:23 PM
Precision Bolt + Rocket
13:24
"Triple Volley" would be Lock-On Burst
13:24
On a slightly different note, I'm glad that I have found a kindred mind in shotfan with regards to DBTs questionable design decisions.
13:24
One of the thing that's become a pet peeve for me over time was his insistence on randomised progression systems
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I'd say its only mildly tolerable in QCDE, since its supposed to riff on QC's lootbox system
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christ yall active
13:26
btw any updates?
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Sorry for being busy with discussing Doom mods Raov, lol (edited)
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nah its fine
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I'd say its only mildly tolerable in QCDE, since its supposed to riff on QC's lootbox system
HeliosDrive 03/09/2021 1:27 PM
But even then, I kinda wished there were checks in place to prevent shit like being rewarded with unnecessary full ammo/health or weapon/upgrade duplicates. (edited)
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Sorry for being busy with discussing Doom mods Raov, lol (edited)
theres always an 8 hour mute option lol
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I mean, QCDE is fine for me.
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Me, a skirmish rogue player: I'll pretend I didn't see that.
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I still play it occasionally. (edited)
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Only thing I have aganist that system is how rare the upgrades are
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HeliosDrive 03/09/2021 1:29 PM
Same
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I could criticize some of the upgrade for being unimaginative, but hey
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HeliosDrive 03/09/2021 1:29 PM
I've gone full Megawads without getting a single Rocket Launcher upgrade.
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There are so many classes, plus the modular monsterpack system, that I hardly complain
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Some of the upgrades are glorious though
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HeliosDrive 03/09/2021 1:30 PM
Either that, or 50 Burning bloody Gauntlets.
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lmao
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HeliosDrive
Either that, or 50 Burning bloody Gauntlets.
Mood
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can we get a saw launcher already
13:30
oh wait that is not SS4
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HeliosDrive 03/09/2021 1:30 PM
We kinda have that with Painkiller
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Wait, he has his own weapons?
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HeliosDrive 03/09/2021 1:31 PM
Yeah
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WHAT
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How many?
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HeliosDrive 03/09/2021 1:31 PM
One of his passives replaces the Gauntlet with the eponymous Painkiller weapon
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His signature weapon replacing the Gauntlet
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D'oh
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HeliosDrive 03/09/2021 1:31 PM
Basically functions the same as the Gauntlet, but with the added ability to fire a projectile.
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why Sam does not have the Minigun in the place of the Machinegun then (edited)
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shotfan
why Sam does not have the Minigun in the place of the Machinegun then (edited)
Because ammo
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Silly
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HeliosDrive 03/09/2021 1:32 PM
And its his Active
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It would be broken as fuck
13:32
To use normal bullets for that
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Sam always has ammo lmao
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e x a c t l y
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HeliosDrive 03/09/2021 1:32 PM
I still remember the Champ concept I made for the TF2 Soldier
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Yeah, that was not an imaginative active for Sam either... but a welcome one.
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HeliosDrive 03/09/2021 1:33 PM
His two passives were focused on the Rocket Launcher
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Serious Bomb active wen
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HeliosDrive 03/09/2021 1:33 PM
Specifically, starting with a Rocket Launcher (with no ammo in MP, ofc)
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(I do not care if OP)
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HeliosDrive 03/09/2021 1:34 PM
And giving said Rocket Launcher properties of the Air Strike.
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Hmmm?
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TLDR: Basically apply the Increased attack speed and smaller blast radius while blast jumping stat from the Air Strike to the QCDE RL when the Soldier is using it.
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Though the decreases to the RL's base damage and blast radius couldn't hurt either.
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Is that custom character system for QCDE ready?
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Not yet
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That's why we're really aganist KET
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Makes sense.
13:45
Look at Doom 4.
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Snapmap might have been limited, but it did last for those few years until Doom 5.
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An really, how complex this feature would be?
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A lot.
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A. LOT.
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That's why they should focus on it.
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In the worst case scenario, just release documentation for how they made the base Champions themselves.
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shotfan
In the worst case scenario, just release documentation for how they made the base Champions themselves.
It is not so simple
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How so?
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The mod is hyper-interwoven
13:48
Creating a new champion without any measures put in so that they can abide to certain checks will be incompatible with... most of the mod itself
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HeliosDrive 03/09/2021 1:50 PM
I never knew why DBT was so insistent on KET over the custom champs.
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Was he really that tilted over the stuff he didn't like in DE that he just had to go out of his way to prove himself a better game designer than Hugo Martin and the rest of Id?
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Nah I think he was just burned over QCDE
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Well
13:52
He is welcome to try.
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But, it goes without saying that custom Champions would be a seminal feature.
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HeliosDrive 03/09/2021 1:53 PM
Aye
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unlike certain someone that tries to pioneer paid sourceports with restricted mod compatibility
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HeliosDrive 03/09/2021 1:54 PM
What Smash Bros modding wished it could be like
13:54
We can finally have that one dude's inflation furry OC as a fully-fledged champ
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:p
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HeliosDrive
We can finally have that one dude's inflation furry OC as a fully-fledged champ
PTSD
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The only fucking reason I would not want custom champs
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HeliosDrive 03/09/2021 1:55 PM
Yup
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That and the weeb garbage
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I mean, I wouldn't mind Guts in QCDE--
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HeliosDrive 03/09/2021 1:56 PM
Aye, that and DIO
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@YourpalZ3R0
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Not only you, I wager.
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HeliosDrive 03/09/2021 1:57 PM
I was thinking more along the lines of the custom champs page getting flooded with Genshin Impact dregs
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And that thing...
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No further comment.
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HeliosDrive
I was thinking more along the lines of the custom champs page getting flooded with Genshin Impact dregs
Implying gacha players can mod
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>implying gacha "players" play anything as opposed to gluing their eyes to the smartphones while crossing a street
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HeliosDrive 03/09/2021 2:04 PM
"Genshin Impact? More like Gayshit Incest"
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Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if someone made a GI character into a champion
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Purely as a shitpost, at that
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>implying gacha "players" play anything as opposed to gluing their eyes to the smartphones while crossing a street
That's too generous a description for them. They clearly play on Bluestacks for days on end on their g a m e r PC
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HeliosDrive 03/09/2021 2:07 PM
PC?
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More like an iphone on a small stand with a Bluetooth keyboard and a mouse plugged into the charging port. (edited)
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With the tinny speakers on full blast
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But yeah.
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>implying gacha "players" play anything as opposed to gluing their eyes to the smartphones while crossing a street
Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/09/2021 2:13 PM
but I play on PC...
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HeliosDrive 03/09/2021 2:13 PM
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/09/2021 2:14 PM
fuck it it's better than playing a sinking fucking game genre
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AFPS talk shit about gacha gamers and tacticool shoot fans, but at least their game genres aren't sinking ships :notsorlag: (edited)
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[loadsshotgunwithmaliciousintent.jpg] (edited)
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Frax314
I mean, I wouldn't mind Guts in QCDE--
YourpalZ3R0 03/09/2021 2:36 PM
I REQUIREEE
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inb4 his active is just one swipe with the Dragon Slayer and not the Gauntlet replacement (edited)
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shotfan
inb4 his active is just one swipe with the Dragon Slayer and not the Gauntlet replacement (edited)
Same brain I was just thinking about it
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YourpalZ3R0 03/09/2021 2:39 PM
And for his special he SCREAMS GRIFFIIIITH
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Everyone flees.
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YourpalZ3R0 03/09/2021 2:39 PM
It's like a war cry from diablo 2
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/09/2021 4:00 PM
I'm gonna be honest with you guys, I feel incompatible with the Quake community
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They're all "AFPS this AFPS that" but it feels unfullfilling trying to "git gud" at it
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Not only that but I play anime trash so it's already obvious that I can't side with the AFPS community
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YourpalZ3R0 03/09/2021 4:05 PM
What's new? AFPS communities have always been full of boomers and tryhards. Personally if you want to roll around just play for fun and ignore the whole git gud trash.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup
Not only that but I play anime trash so it's already obvious that I can't side with the AFPS community
YourpalZ3R0 03/09/2021 4:05 PM
anime first person shooter community (edited)
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/09/2021 4:38 PM
It's hard to enjoy the game when 80% of the match involves you dying and 20% involves running around for resources and shit
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YourpalZ3R0 03/09/2021 6:41 PM
hmm I was mostly talking about q3, I think you mean QCDE right
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He does
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YourpalZ3R0 03/09/2021 7:02 PM
yeah Q3 is different
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it still has tryhards but there are closed tight communities like ours @shotfan where we just dual for fun
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*Duel
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hmm I was mostly talking about q3, I think you mean QCDE right
Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/10/2021 1:00 AM
Q3, QC, QL... not QCDE tho (edited)
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I will gladly play QCDE till the day I become a skeleton
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Why stop playing QCDE when you become a skeleton
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/10/2021 1:04 AM
Of course
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Because now I'm Bones Quake 3
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/11/2021 1:59 AM
any new developments
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HeliosDrive 03/11/2021 2:00 AM
Just a hint; developments will be posted here when they develop
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A watched kettle never boils.
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READ PLEASE
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Doomkid went out with it, let's fucking gooo
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Now we only ought to finish the ZDF article and we are set
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/15/2021 1:04 AM
Gee, the comments are flaming with legal discussion
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Surprised Doomkid didn't bring up either the rumored DRM or the creator's supposed involvement with Pa1nkiller and SgtMark
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Ooh, apparently Marisa is already knowledgeable of the info
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@Frax314 since this is now public information, is it fine if I share this in places like the QCDE and HDest Discord
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/15/2021 1:32 AM
Ok thanks
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the saying is true once you are taken to Brasil you are never coming back
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LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOO
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NOT EVEN HE TOOK THE BAIT, LOTHAR IS DUMBOOOO
Frax314 pinned a message to this channel. 03/15/2021 10:15 AM
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Quick upload for the last part of the warning post
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Click to see attachment 🖼️
Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/15/2021 10:32 AM
1. HAHA WHAT A FARCE 2. Wasn't he banned on there?
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Part 3 of the ZDF warning post done.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup
1. HAHA WHAT A FARCE 2. Wasn't he banned on there?
He got banned now I believe.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/15/2021 10:34 AM
huh?
10:35
what?
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wait so how did he respond to that??
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did he get unbanned or...
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Li$ter was banned by Mark's mods and tried to appeal to Mark
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/15/2021 10:35 AM
ohhh wait no I meant Mark
10:35
wasn't Mark banned on DW
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But Mark had an OOC surge of basedness and did not let him in again
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup
wasn't Mark banned on DW
Only on ZDF
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/15/2021 10:36 AM
ah
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Give Doomkid a big thanks from us
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/15/2021 10:36 AM
surprised the dude who made the most anti-purist mod ever conceived on this planet isn't banned on the most purist place in the Doom community
10:36
I shall
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He made us discover the Brutal Doom alliance was bollocks after all
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But Mark had an OOC surge of basedness and did not let him in again
Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/15/2021 10:37 AM
tbf I do hear from some BD fans he's lightened up on his bullshit
10:38
wouldn't hold my breath but the thought's there
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I've heard he does take responsibility playing Brutal Nanny to his community recently
10:38
so this probably wasn't out of chracter
10:40
wait a second
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where did you get that message of Mark saying that
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it's not in the thread
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He had tbh back when I was in the BD Discord, he's got a different vocabulary and speech pattern in general, changed from what he was before. But I don't forget that easily what one did
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup
where did you get that message of Mark saying that
Page 2
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Then scroll down a bit, there's two
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/15/2021 10:41 AM
found it
10:42
this ketmar guy seems to know Lister
10:42
knew exactly who were they talking about after bringing it up
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There's also another confirming he IS talking about Li$ter (usage of "GayZet")
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/15/2021 10:42 AM
anyways, since this is now effectively public info, can I now share the thread to the QCDE and HDest Discord
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/15/2021 10:42 AM
uh
10:43
that a yes or a no
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Looks like I missed something lol
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/15/2021 10:44 AM
recent developments 1. Doomkid converged our current info to the Doomworld Forums 2. SgtMark is not at all siding with Lister; mods actually banned him from the BD Discord
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Yes you can
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/15/2021 10:45 AM
YAY
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Send it around I mean
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/15/2021 10:56 AM
crap
10:56
EOA Discord still has cronies spying on it
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Which are? I'll inform Krakken later
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/15/2021 10:57 AM
not sure
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he just told me there were still spies in there
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Who he?
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Krakken?
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Also y'all, this is your last day to edit and possibly add info to the ZDF post, we're gonna launch it today/tomorrow morning. @shotfan, you still gotta add the screenshot proof.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/15/2021 11:07 AM
should I tell the HDest Discord that you guys plan to post this warning message
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When it'll be out it'll be out
11:09
We gotta ride Doomkid's tide
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We gotta ride Doomkid Out of context quote
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/15/2021 11:17 AM
Oh yeah
11:17
What about Delta Touch? Why isn't that morally wrong?
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We gotta ride Doomkid Out of context quote
B r u h
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup
What about Delta Touch? Why isn't that morally wrong?
The thing sold is a wrapper
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Not the port itseld
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And that is not based on the ports themselves
11:21
I EVEN FUCKING TOLD Li$ter about that
11:21
Seems he is as hypocritical as ever
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Tbf our best bet rn is for it to in fact be a full on scam
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Instead of a real thing
11:24
But sadly I am inclined to think it is real even if to an extent
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/15/2021 11:26 AM
Well so far
11:30
Notable Doom modders/community members who are aware of this sourceport atm are Likely the entirety of the Complexity, PB, BD, and CF dev teams Some members of the BD Schism team like Lorthar QCDE Devs and QCDE Discord mods + server regulars (like me ;) ) SgtMark - confirmed to not be working with Lister Doomkid - converged all the info we have to him in the first place Marisa - discussed about it under Doomkid's post DoomKrakken - firsthand witness to the sheer stupidity of these Russian dicknipses Fat Tony - heard it from DoomKrakken if i recall
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Oh yeah and some HDest Discord regulars
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Iirc Marisa was attacked somehow by Li$ter's gang, but I don't know how.
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Ssg+Ballista combo?
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Transphobically, I assume-- WHEEZE
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YourpalZ3R0 03/15/2021 2:00 PM
Seems like I missed quite some big progress.
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Indeed. Give a good read.
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Frax314
Transphobically, I assume-- WHEEZE
Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/15/2021 2:14 PM
I mean considering Lister's overall aura I'd assume it was actual transphobia and not just "I'm straight lmao"
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wdym, I said exactly he attacked Marisa on transphobic grounds as well as his petty modding rivalry
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Even the brazilian brutalist is against the scam
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So for the love of god, I again repeat: do not slander anyone by accusing collusion with Lister unless you have actual proof.
14:39
Because now we have evidence that Lister and Lothar were talking out of their asses. (edited)
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(And Lother seems even more gullible now) (edited)
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I will add the screenshots in the evening.
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You know you're in the wrong when both Marisa and Mark on the same fucking thread tell you suck
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wdym, I said exactly he attacked Marisa on transphobic grounds as well as his petty modding rivalry
Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/15/2021 3:25 PM
well you said "WHEEZE" afterwards so I assumed that you assume it was the really tame not really transphobic type of attack
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup
well you said "WHEEZE" afterwards so I assumed that you assume it was the really tame not really transphobic type of attack
Nah it was a response to Kensuke's joke
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/15/2021 3:27 PM
oh ok
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lmao
15:28
but why would they use SSG Ballista
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when they don't give two shits about NuDoom
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup
when they don't give two shits about NuDoom
Actually he does play it... in the weirdest way imaginable. Saw him on stream once.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/15/2021 3:28 PM
uh
15:28
does he use microwave beam
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Transphobia is a serious issue, even if you do not agree with certain aspects of LGBT culture you should not outwardly attack anyone trans, especially if using it for secondary and petty purposes https://th.bing.com/th/id/R29cd9c49954ae5c259a1d8ee95c69a72?rik=af3dt92uv1u48Q&riu=http%3a%2f%2fi0.kym-cdn.com%2fentries%2ficons%2ffacebook%2f000%2f026%2f152%2fgigachad.jpg&ehk=pQMUQPnZ6fdKA2KCn4Jw9JFILHSCVkyBpLpGuRPIAd8%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup
does he use microwave beam
He plays it tactically
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He hides in corners
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Frax314
He plays it tactically
Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/15/2021 3:30 PM
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wait
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I was supposed to use that skeleton gif
15:30
but that works too
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Like he's playing his own mod, or HDest
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And that's horrible
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oh god no that retarded "maser"
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am being petty and i do not care
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We already talked about it though--
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SS3 RIPOFF REEEEEEEEEE
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oh god no that retarded "maser"
Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/15/2021 3:44 PM
don't talk shit about my golden hawk boy Maser Beam (edited)
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WHERE IS MUH LIGHTNING GUN AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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Microwave Beam is still a masterpiece of weapon design compared to some weapons in LSD.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/15/2021 3:51 PM
LMaO
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WHERE IS MUH LIGHTNING GUN AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 3:52 PM
My bet is that, when KET gets a full release, people are going to treat that Lightning Gun mod like they did the Stun Bomb mod in 2016.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/15/2021 3:52 PM
and never use it?
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Ketamine
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/15/2021 3:52 PM
:notsorlag: (edited)
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HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 3:52 PM
Quite the opposite
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AHHHHHHHHHH
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HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 3:53 PM
More like "If you're using any of the Plasma Gun's functions besides Lightning Gun, you're playing it wrong."
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AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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UwU
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:19hpdguyface:
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HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 3:54 PM
Seriously, I can't see it as anything besides a straight-up primary fire replacement.
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LG has two major drawbacks compared to PG: 1. Limited range; 2. Can only latch on damage one enemy at the given time. (edited)
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BFG's Unmaykr mode is dope
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And if anyone makes muh Heat Blast dirty I am gonna riot
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And I have infinite shotgun shells
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Heat Blast and Microwave Beam are pure sex
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They goof
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*good
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You can pretty much play all of Eternal just with Heat Blast reasonably.
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Not so much with Microwave.
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How about Eternal without weapon mods
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The fact they had to make the Spirit vulnerable only to the Microwave Beam to buff it fully shows the bad side of elemental damage...
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Well that's why the element of pain exists
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Pain Elemental
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LG has two major drawbacks compared to PG: 1. Limited range; 2. Can only latch on damage one enemy at the given time. (edited)
HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 3:59 PM
1. Kind of a moot point when the player possesses mobility options out the wazoo, even one (the Meathook) designed expressly to bring the Slayer closer to enemies. 2. Doesn't KET's LG not technically latch onto enemies like MB (unless you're referring to PR shots dealing splash damage or whatnot)? (edited)
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TBF, Microwave Beam gets a bad rap for having a higher skill floor than most other mods.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/15/2021 4:01 PM
Microwave Beam gets a bad rep for being sucky compared to other mods
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HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 4:01 PM
The benefits it provides to the combat loop aren't immediately apparent, thus its easier to dismiss it as being useless.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/15/2021 4:01 PM
that's the reason
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No, the problem it's that it's not used for what it initially seems to be dor.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/15/2021 4:01 PM
other mods are simply more efficient
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup
that's the reason
HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 4:01 PM
A dismissive reason, yes
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/15/2021 4:01 PM
I suppose
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Even if you CAN use it efficiently, it won't be for what it SHOULD be used for.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/15/2021 4:01 PM
it is pretty funny catching a random whiplash offguard with it
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Even if you CAN use it efficiently, it won't be for what it SHOULD be used for.
HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 4:02 PM
That being...?
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MB on shields is op
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HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 4:02 PM
^
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Also the stun
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/15/2021 4:02 PM
yeah it's cool on shields
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Stuns enemies
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HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 4:02 PM
Plus, it creates a bigger shield pop
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/15/2021 4:02 PM
but honestly I just ignore the shield
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Catch enemies in pain + deal continuous damage while they are stunned.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/15/2021 4:02 PM
on any enemies really
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Shield Zombies have shields? Who cares I'm just gonna rocket your behind
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Instead it's used for stun tapping and what is virtually elemental damage.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/15/2021 4:03 PM
Chaingunners with shields? Do the exact same thing
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Catch enemies in pain + deal continuous damage while they are stunned.
HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 4:03 PM
So basically the equivalent of standing in front of a microwave until the meal is cooked?
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Cacademons
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/15/2021 4:03 PM
Doom Hunter with a Shield? Bruteforce your way to the sled and bp it twice (edited)
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HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 4:04 PM
The game points out multiple times that MB is designed as an enemy finisher
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So basically the equivalent of standing in front of a microwave until the meal is cooked?
If that's what you'd call the Lighting Gun as well... except MB doesn't need a good aim.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/15/2021 4:04 PM
Cyber Mancubus with full-on armor? PB Rocket
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HeliosDrive
The game points out multiple times that MB is designed as an enemy finisher
There is NO REASON to there be a finisher mod when all weapons deal crazy damage
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If that's what you'd call the Lighting Gun as well... except MB doesn't need a good aim.
Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/15/2021 4:04 PM
honestly in SP enemies are way to predictable so it doesn't really matter
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HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 4:04 PM
I.e. you dish out some damage beforehand with other weapons before capping off with the MB.
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And the Glory Kills exist
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Cyber mamcubus? Freeze 1 Blood punch 1 ssg blast
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HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 4:05 PM
Glory Kills aren't 100% necessary in all situations.
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On some occasions, it can even be detrimental.
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MB leaves you more exposed than a glory kill.
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HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 4:06 PM
Since it allows enemies time (if briefly) to surround you and go ham once the GK is done.
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Closing distance is not always desirable an takes time. And yes, I also meant splash damage, as PG excels at suppression.
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And I have problem with a weapon mod that arbitrary delays all the damage to the final portion of the attack.
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It goes against whole gameplay dynamic.
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You need to shove in damage at any opening you can get, not count on getting a comfortable spot to occupy all of your attention on one enemy.
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The only time that happens reliably is the final enemy in the encounter, making the mod borderline useless and superfluous.
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Plus, it is just lame compared to a proper LG weapon.
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HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 4:09 PM
Maybe the whole point isn't to use the weapon when you're in a comfortable position.
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Maybe the whole point is that you're taking a risk to use it in order to reap the benefits.
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That's an aspect that isn't wholly touched on in the base game, but is encapsulated wholeheartedly by the Spirits.
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Since they now present a tangible and highly lethal drawback in failing to take those risks.
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Also, regarding what Frax was saying about not using weapons for their intended purpose.
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So what?
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If meta strategies weren't a thing (or even worse, were actively discouraged) we wouldn't get shit like Rocket Jumping or half of the gameplay innovations born from glitches in games these days.
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But Rocket Jumping is fun
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Using MB effectively is not
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Also, if you really wanted to make Spirits require the player to take a risk, make them only vulnerable to something even weaker instead of something mediocre to "fix" it.
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And there are far better ways to force the player to take risks than elemental damage.
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Maybe the whole point isn't to use the weapon when you're in a comfortable position.
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HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 4:21 PM
But Rocket Jumping is fun Using MB effectively is not
Both of those are subjective opinions
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Game design is subjective
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Maybe the whole point is to use the proper gun for the situation at hand.
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Elemental damage is cool when it is used to restrict cheese aganist an already really solid enemy (see HM's Baalgar -- seem hard enough yet? WELL GUESS WHAT you can't use the BFG on it either!) (edited)
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Maybe the whole point is to use the proper gun for the situation at hand.
HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 4:22 PM
Aye. And is it a bad thing if said situation expressly pushes the player out of their comfort zone?
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Otherwise, just leave the player with one weapon and force them to take risk when they run into a improper situation for their gun. (edited)
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HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 4:23 PM
Also, IDK why you keep calling it "elemental damage" when you're referring to a single enemy only being vulnerable to a single weapon mod.
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There are other ways to challenge the comfort zone than enforcing specific guns.
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Such as mixed enemy formations.
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Also, IDK why you keep calling it "elemental damage" when you're referring to a single enemy only being vulnerable to a single weapon mod.
I have no better way to call it
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HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 4:24 PM
"Elemental damage" implies that the Spirit should be vulnerable to all forms of Plasma attacks
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Also, elemental damage can also be to a single attack
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Forcing you to prioritize enemies and which gun to choose first.
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He is talking about a more general gameplay concept.
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If you want it clear, you could call it a specific weapon exclusive damage type.
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HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 4:25 PM
Pardon me, but I neglected to point out
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There does exist an alternative method to eliminating a Spirit.
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One that doesn't even involve the Microwave Beam.
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Blood Punch? Just a guess.
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HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 4:26 PM
Nope
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Not killing it at all.
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HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 4:27 PM
Or rather, killing every other demon in an arena, leaving it with no nearby hosts to possess once you kill its present host. (edited)
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Ice Bomb?
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Ah that.
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HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 4:29 PM
It'll pop out of existence after a short while of being unable to locate a nearby host.
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Fighting around it. (edited)
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Can't respawning fodder also be possessed?
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HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 4:30 PM
Yes, but said fodder stop respawning once an encounter is complete.
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In fact, if you manage to corral a Spirit into a fodder demon - particularly the more ineffectual Zombies, you're more or less free to eliminate anything else to your heart's content.
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TLDR, if you're so adverse to using the Microwave Beam against it and your movement game is on point (depending on which host a Spirit chooses, which you can guarantee will be the toughest on the field), you can absolutely go through the whole game without even going near a Spirit.
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Heck, it's a strategy that's enforced in Under the Mayo's Brawler Mode, which bans the Microwave Beam entirely for its capacity as a portable nope.avi button against enemies.
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Yes, it does not affect the MB-hating player. But we are talking design.
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HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 4:35 PM
Of course, the final boss is the exception to both scenarios.
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Or rather, killing every other demon in an arena, leaving it with no nearby hosts to possess once you kill its present host. (edited)
Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/15/2021 4:36 PM
stupid idea; Possessed enemies are a great danger to the point that it's pretty much mandatory to wipe them out first
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Killing all the other Heavies is a tad bit harder when a Possessed Hell Knight is faster than your walking speed
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HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 4:37 PM
Again, that's why followed up that the strategy is only properly viable if your movement game is on point.
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Plus, you aren't restricted from choosing which enemies you can kill, allowing you to corral a Spirit into a more manageable or, at least, avoidable host.
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I.e. Zombies
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From then on, it's basically a game of being careful where you aim or what weapons you use, lest you accidentally release the corralled Spirit and have it empower a more nightmarish foe.
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Personally, it is good to have a weapon stronger/the only useful one on a certain enemy purely by the attack's actual properties, it is bad if you have to create this weakness artificially. That's what I meant.
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From then on, it's basically a game of being careful where you aim or what weapons you use, lest you accidentally release the corralled Spirit and have it empower a more nightmarish foe.
HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 4:42 PM
Heck, it's exactly the same concept that the new Screecher enemy is supposedly working off.
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Personally, it is good to have a weapon stronger/the only useful one on a certain enemy purely by the attack's actual properties, it is bad if you have to create this weakness artificially. That's what I meant.
HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 4:43 PM
Not entirely sure how this applies specifically for the Microwave Beam. Could you please elaborate?
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The Spirit has an artificial invincibility to every attack except the MB
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You don't use the MB because it's good aganist it, you use it because they made it so you must use it aganist it
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HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 4:44 PM
Define artificial in this context
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Damage types that are unrelated to the weapon's main function
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Or the monster's
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You mean "arbitrary" actually, Frax.
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HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 4:46 PM
Am I correct in assuming that you feel the whole purpose of the Spirit's sole vulnerability to the Microwave Beam is to justify its inclusion into the weapon sandbox? (edited)
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Meaning, it has no sensible reason to work that way.
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Am I correct in assuming that you feel the whole purpose of the Spirit's sole vulnerability to the Microwave Beam is to justify its inclusion into the weapon sandbox? (edited)
No, but it is still wrong.
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There is of course a reason in the arena flow for it. But this is not the way.
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It whole basis is the developer waving their hands to give the weapon and the enemy this relation - nothing else in the game world supports it.
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Even worse in this case because the change has been introduced in the expansion, it had not been there in the base game. (edited)
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HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 4:49 PM
So it's the base concept of this specific enemy having only this specific interaction with this specific element of the sandbox?
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By the very least, to make this Spirit plasma damage vulnerablity sensible, then all of the PG's attack modes should be able to harm it. (edited)
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Unless, I do not know, you want to suddenly state that the maser mode is actually lifted straight from Ghostbusters or something lol (edited)
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No, that's not it
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Even if it is only vulnerable to Plasma in general, it's not a good mechanic
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Yes, it would not be good but it would be easier to explain.
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HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 4:51 PM
Again, I'm not entirely sure I follow your lines of reasoning.
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Intra-diegetic reasoning.
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You need to want to use this on that because it is effective in the gameplay itself, not because the game says so
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That is: what makes sense inside the game world?
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HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 4:52 PM
Is there a sensible reason as to why the Cyber-Mancubus' armour can only be stripped in one go by a Blood Punch and a Blood Punch only, as opposed to the myriad of other shockwave-based attacks?
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Here we go
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Then I can ask you why the Doom Slayer needs upwards of twnety regular punches to kill the weakest enemy in the game?
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HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 4:53 PM
Is there any reason why Hell Nobles are staggered by Chaingun fire and only Chaingun fire, and not the Heavy Cannon?
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It is not like those examples are helping the whole Spirit-Plasma case at all.
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HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 4:53 PM
Is there any reason why the Ballista deals bonus damage to flying enemies?
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Both of these are bad mechanics too
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Imho
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HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 4:54 PM
Which, I might add, also includes the Revenant
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You see?
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All of that is arbitrary.
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HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 4:54 PM
Which technically becomes a ground-based enemy once you shoot off the cannons.
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I see now
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The Chaingun should be more effective aganist the Nobles not because the HC just can't stun them, but because the Chaingun just stuns them much better
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And that is not good.
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oh god
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do not mention that fucking stupid name
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HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 4:55 PM
Your problem is with arbitrary weapon mechanics.
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"Heavy Cannon", somebody is envy of Serious Sam alright.
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"Heavy Cannon", somebody is envy of Serious Sam alright.
Idk I never thought anything of that
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Then again I'm not that big a SS fan
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HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 4:56 PM
Heavy Cannon's a fine name for a handheld autocannon.
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It is an oversized DMR, not a cannon in any way, shape or form.
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I call it semantic inflation.
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HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 4:57 PM
Better than the Heavy Assault Rifle (HAR HAR HAR. Funnee stuff, mai dood) when even its lore entry acknowledges that its "Assault Rifle" name is a misnomer.
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"Heavy Assault Rifle" was to boring it seems anymore. (edited)
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What
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"Heavy Cannon" is that too, only more stupid.
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Same weapon class, more deranged name.
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HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 4:58 PM
The lore entry literally states that the HAR is more akin to an LMG.
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Soooooo
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Not that far away, huh?
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Just call it Machinegun because Quake naming rulez
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HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 4:59 PM
Heavy Cannon is an autocannon.
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Oh yeah?
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Does it fire 20mm shells?
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Do the shells explode?
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Is the recoil too big for a normal man to handle?
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Doom 4 Chaingun is an autocannon, not this thing.
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Doom eternel
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HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 5:02 PM
It's lore entry states that it uses optional exploding dart ammunition.
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And I highly doubt the "optional" part refers to the micro-missiles.
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Since recoil shouldn't realistically be an issue for self-propelled projectiles like the missiles.
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Actually, I'll just post the full entry
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A common complaint among users of this punch-packing conventional weapon is the weight, as most of the components are forged in Tungstronium, a proprietary alloy developed to withstand enormous stresses imparted by the optional exploding dart ammunition. However, the additional weight makes the Heavy Cannon an ideal sniper rifle, as swaying and tremors are mitigated by the massive bulk. Trigger management is of the highest priority when using this weapon, as self-inflicted gunshot wounds are common thanks to its no-pull reflex trigger system.
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makes the Heavy Cannon an ideal sniper rifle
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So the weapon classification is all over the place.
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Just the exploding ammo is not enough to make it a cannon in any capacity.
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HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 5:06 PM
I presume that the "Sniper Rifle" part only applies when using the Precision Bolt mod.
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And even then, "autocannon" is the subfamily of the weakest cannons.
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To be HEAVY it would need to rival Ballista at the very least. (edited)
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id just likes cool impressive names too much for their own good. (edited)
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HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 5:09 PM
Big flippin whoop.
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Glad you've made your acquaintance with the Rule of Cool, my good sir.
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Too bad it is used in a dumb way this time.
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HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 5:10 PM
If you personally insist.
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I at least think it's a fine escalation from HAR HAR HAR. Funnee stuff, mai dood
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It isnt that bad tbh
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Except for gun nuts it must be really bad heh
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"""Chainguns"""
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Chaingun is erroneous too, but the scale of the mistake is lesser.
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HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 5:13 PM
If people were so anal about weapon names, they'd insist on calling the Super Shotgun a "Coach gun"
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And yeah, not sure how Chaingun is any less erroneous than what you think the Heavy Cannon should really be, but whatever.
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I just find it cool how, if you read into the Chaingun's Codex entry, that the weapon is effectively a goddamn rail-minigun. (edited)
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Super Shotgun is a nickname Doom itself started.
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Oh... I meant the Doom 4 Chaingun.
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I have not been aware that its new iteration is actually a railtech weapon.
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Yeah, that is still an error. But I take specific offense to Heavy Cannon because I think it is an extreme, unwarranted semantic exagerration.
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I think I have ranted enough on that.
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HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 5:26 PM
You could always levy the complaint towards Id themselves about this extreme, unwarranted semantic exaggeration.
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FPS are not always made by gun nuts I suppose this is the case
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HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 5:27 PM
Y'know, really drive home how they're utterly reprehensible for such a grandiose practise of incompetence.
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FPS are not always made by gun nuts I suppose this is the case
HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 5:28 PM
And unless you're making an ARMA/Insurgency-styled Milsim, you shouldn't have to.
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Even the grounded and more realistic Halo series has an AR that's more akin to an SMG.
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But yeah back to og discussion
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HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 5:30 PM
And the less said about the Hardlight weapons, the better
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I want to use Ice Bomb on idk something like a Summoner not because the Summoner has a specific weakness to it, even if it's lore-justified, but because the Summoner is fast and I want a clear shot on it
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I said the opposite is fine however (that is, Summoner being immune to the Ice Bomb for the exact same reason)
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HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 5:34 PM
And you are referring explicitly to the Summoner, and not the Spirits they eventually become?
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The Spirit defies that example, that's why I dislike it
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HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 5:44 PM
I kinda get what you're going at, though I think it'd help if it were put in more general terms.
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You prefer enemies having weaknesses to sandbox elements due to how they affect/exploit a given enemy's base stats, physical attributes and AI/attacks patterns.
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Pretty much, I guess...?
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HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 5:44 PM
And not due to prescribed, hardcoded weaknesses.
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Just wanted to say that Halo is all over the place with its gun credibility. It is not really that grounded, more like a mildly hard science fiction. And yeah, the Hardlight weapons are one of the biggest exercises in the lack of creativity that I have ever seen in video games. (edited)
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But that is just a small digression to the discussion on hand.
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HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 5:52 PM
That's an amicable view to have. However, I feel that relying on such enemy attributes can only go so far with those base AI attributes before you end up having fall back on arbitrary weaknesses.
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Since as long as the concept of a "meta" exists, weapons will be used purely on raw elimination efficiency.
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That is because developing the gameplay in a genuine way is best, instead of trying to interweave every single thing
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HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 5:54 PM
At least in a game like Doom where you carry your entire arsenal with you.
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Indeed, if you try to use only base AI attributes but also try to interweave too much, you'd end up with basically glorified prescribed weaknesses
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And the different weapons exist because they do different things well.
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But one specific niche of killing one enemy is, arguably, a point where a weapon stops being a weapon and becomes just a tool.
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Or sometimes, the same thing in different contexts (automatic hitscan weapons with different properties and ammo types...)
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And subjectively, a weapon like that is not fun to use at all.
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But one specific niche of killing one enemy is, arguably, a point where a weapon stops being a weapon and becomes just a tool.
More like cripplingly overspecialized, tools are a term used for other kinds of stuff that's generally considered fine
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HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 5:57 PM
Thank goodness that the MB doesn't have one specific niche, ey'?
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😉
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/15/2021 5:57 PM
goddamn
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Because it becomes less of a thing to play around with its capabilities, and more of a dull, tedious work to repeat time after time.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/15/2021 5:58 PM
I played like 3 matches of CSGO and yall still arguing over the Microwave Beam
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And that specific niche, we already have discussed.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup
I played like 3 matches of CSGO and yall still arguing over the Microwave Beam
Uberkek
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It is not like CSGO matches take much time, do they?
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It is not like CSGO matches take much time, do they?
Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/15/2021 5:59 PM
they feel like 50 fucking years
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HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 6:03 PM
The thing I was trying to originally argue about the Microwave Beam was that the base campaign didn't provide players with the opportunity to fully explore its mechanical depths. That, combined with the high skill ceiling in using it effectively turned many players away.
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I see the Spirit as more of a Microwave Beam acclimator; something to allows players to get used to how the MB works and, ideally, consider further investigating further combat applications beyond Bustin' to make themselves feel good.
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And beyond the derisive and spiteful remarks of that one server, I'd say the efforts were moderately successful.
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And this may only be me, but I cannot help but see Frax's vision ending up no better than what happened with Doom 2016. (edited)
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No??? Doom 2016's weapons were all too good.
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And the enemies too weak.
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HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 6:10 PM
Too good?
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Also no enemy restricted these OP weapons in any way.
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Too good in comparision to the enemies' power, that is.
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HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 6:11 PM
I was mainly referring to how, in general, metas greatly favour two aspects; applicability and efficiency.
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Basically, how many jobs can something do and how quickly can it do them?
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But that's where my point goes: genuine design, then let the meta develop however the fuck it wants
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The most loved fighting games are those made the least for the meta
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Like Street Fighter 2. Everyone loves it, even though it was made with barely an idea of how FG meta would develop
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HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 6:22 PM
Feels a bit of a false equivalence to compare a fighting game vs an FPS, but eh.
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Don't try to steer too much the gameplay to one direction, maybe it will be easily possible to play in entirely another way despite all your efforts
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That is what I say
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And freedom good
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Genuine design gives real freedom to the player
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HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 6:23 PM
Ah, I figured that was going to be the case
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Freedom is good
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And I don't mean the undefined "freedom" most people blabber on about
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HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 6:25 PM
I guess I prefer Eternal's design philosophy on how it restricts those freedoms.
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And I think its a sensible decision.
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The idea of letting the meta take its course I think works well in a multiplayer game, where its aspects are in a regular flux of changes from the mundane to the game-changing.
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However, I don't think it's entirely conducive to something like Eternal's campaigns, something that you'd at least expect to provide as consistent an experience from when you first booted it up to when you play it a decade later.
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To highlight my key issue with your philosophy, systems are implemented on the principle that they will be used.
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HeliosDrive
To highlight my key issue with your philosophy, systems are implemented on the principle that they will be used.
Halt. Eternal does it first.
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HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 6:30 PM
Say we had 50 of these systems that followed these rules of "genuine design".
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What happens when the meta favours only a minute selection of these systems, say around 4-6.
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Why should it? If the systems are all genuine and well-made, they'll use every one of them.
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See Devil May Cry.
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Is there not always a drive to use every single one of Dante's abilities?
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HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 6:32 PM
Of course, the score system.
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Even without the Style meter, you'd want to learn how to use this gun or that technique.
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HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 6:33 PM
Why?
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I took some good time in DMC5's tranining mode just to try and understand how to use each Swordmaster attack I did not use before. BECAUSE THEY ARE COOL, and they are useful as well! Because they are designed genuinely, so that they have their non-precise-but-existant use and feel good to use.
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HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 6:37 PM
I get the feeling that you're trying to project your personal experiences with a specific game onto overarching design concepts.
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Besides, what's stopping a given DMC player from using the most efficient tools to kill things, regardless as to whether they're cool or not? What's to assume that you aren't the only person to learn every DMC5 Swordmaster attack under the sun? (edited)
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I'd honestly love to see what sort of design process you'd come up for your "genuine" Doom Eternal, as irritating and ill-defined a label that is.
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Besides, what's stopping a given DMC player from using the most efficient tools to kill things, regardless as to whether they're cool or not? What's to assume that you aren't the only person to learn every DMC5 Swordmaster attack under the sun? (edited)
The very reason why we play games. FUN.
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Granted, that may hypothetically be their fun, but you know what I mean
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HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 6:49 PM
So I'd say its safe to say that you prefer it when a game gives players the capacity to find their own "fun zone" when playing, rather than the game imposing its own fun zone on the player. (edited)
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I would rather have all UN DE speedruns boring but the game itself (even, if you will) more fun to your average joe, that's why I support genuine design over meta steering
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So I'd say its safe to say that you prefer it when a game gives players the capacity to find their own "fun zone" when playing, rather than the game imposing its own fun zone on the player. (edited)
There is always a precise fun zone in a given game, the difference is in what players can do while in it
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There is always a precise fun zone in a given game, the difference is in what players can do while in it
HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 6:52 PM
I assume that "preciseness" only falls within the purview of genre? (edited)
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I mean. The fun zone in Doom Eternal, in the end, is killing the baddies using a variety of weapons and tools in more or less efficient and cool ways while staying alert on your resources and around said baddies' attacks.
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In Classic Doom, it is the very traversal of the level killing baddies along the way.
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And if it is for the fun zone to last and last well, there must be variety, clearly. We have multiple levels for game and progression systems for a reason.
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DMC encourages you to learn attacks you normally wouldn't bother with, and that's quite an universal gameplay design feat.
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HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 7:04 PM
Solely on the basis that they look cool, and not necessarily because they provide a distinct advantage over other attacks?
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All attacks have advantages of their own. Some are useful with many enemies at once. Others are powerful but don't have many combo hits, making them useful on targets with a knockdown restriction. But you can litterally just ignore that if you want, maybe also defeat enemies in the most unorthodox way possible. So it's... balanced. No attack is too niche, no attack is too efficient. In the end, you use most attacks you know synergically, sometimes because they are advantageous in the immediate situations, others because you just kind of wanted to. (edited)
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A similar arsenal of interchangeable but also specialized attacks/weapons can be found in my two paragons of FPS excellence, Ultrakill and Hunter's Moon.
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HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 7:15 PM
You ever tried SPV3?
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Nah I did not. But I can guess what your argument is gonna be. Yes, I know this kind of balance has an evil twin; Brutal Doom is guilty of it.
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HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 7:16 PM
No, I wasn't really going to make an argument with that question
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But just because shitty examples exist, it should not deter you from going forward. There are many ways Eternal could've gone wrong with the exact same philosophy
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Brb
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HeliosDrive 03/15/2021 7:18 PM
I just figured that SPV3 could be added as a third paragon of FPS excellence, since it fits within a lot of your preferences for genuine game design.
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That, and its 2AM in the morning and I'm not really in the state to make further arguments.
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Timezones strike againnnn
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Good evening
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I'm glad Doomkid is aware of this thing now
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Hi polyz
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Yea we did good
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This evening we complete and send the ZDF post.
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I see. Unfortunately I barely have time for anything so all I can say is good luck and hopefully that mf learns his lesson
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Added the screenshots to the ZDF post draft, about Lord Lothar's collusion with Lister.
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Lemme review it.
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You could've used the links like everywhere else... Oh well.
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Seems fine. Tomorrow morning, last touches & postinf.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/16/2021 3:34 AM
You know Frax, now that I've been thinking about it more
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Our original plan of buying Listeronum and attempting to crack it was probably all for naught anyways
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Considering Lister's uh... coding """"knowledge"""" it would've probably all had been a pipe dream anyways
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And we would've wasted 15-20$ on some shitty GZDoom bootleg
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HeliosDrive 03/16/2021 3:36 AM
Assuming that Blister wasn't already forced to release the source code to comply with GPL?
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/16/2021 3:38 AM
That too
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Already March 15th, yet no sign of an upcoming release
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Who knows, once it's announced we might even be able to let others do the job for us via crowd mentality
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/16/2021 6:48 AM
should I tell Doomkid Lothar's in on the whole situation
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@Frax314
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/16/2021 10:57 AM
@everyone talked to one of the dudes from Project Brutality's side of the community, the guy who made the Commander SSG addon. He also confirms that Pa1n and the dev team are not siding with any paid sourceport developers (aka Lister)
Sinigang the Philippine Soup pinned a message to this channel. 03/16/2021 10:58 AM
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/16/2021 10:58 AM
this effectively means only Lothar is being affected by Lister's lies
10:58
and Kinnerokhn's arguments in Romero's Discord are a huge fib
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I'm tempted to call the dumbass out on Romero's Discord
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but it may spark another undesirable shitshow there
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should I tell this to Doomkid
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/16/2021 11:11 AM
although he says Cacodemon346's doxxing might've been a mixup accusation
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some more
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Li$ter did not doxx anyone as far as we know
11:20
It's rumors
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/16/2021 11:21 AM
ah ok
11:22
so that pretty much means Kinnerokhn and Lister's claims of Sarge and Pa1n involved with Listeronum are debunked
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Not sure.
11:22
Pa1n himself might just not have ever talked about it to his staff.
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After all, his staff does hate Li$ter's guts.
11:25
HOWEVER.
11:26
He won't be able to do half his mod without his staff's help, especially if Galdoc and the other spriters distance themselves from him.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/16/2021 11:31 AM
do half his mod? But they haven't done any progress in the past few years
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Haha yea
11:31
It's the MMX Corrupted of Doom but mediocre
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/16/2021 11:34 AM
MMX?
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wasn't that that mod by Samarai?
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Nah Megaman X Corrupted
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Fangame that's been in development for a ridiculous amount of time and is still barely half done
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/16/2021 11:56 AM
ohh
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I know popguy12, he is active on the LiTDoom server. Seems trustworthy.
14:07
We cannot be sure about Pa1n until he himself makes a statement, but for now the whole claim of him and Sarge entering the deal with Lister seems more of a promotional lie than anything.
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I know popguy12, he is active on the LiTDoom server. Seems trustworthy.
He is
14:19
I talked with him a few times
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/16/2021 2:23 PM
I guess you could say
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he's a very poggersguy12
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But yeah, he appears reasonable.
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It's time. Gonna post the thing on ZDF. I only hope they don't treat it as spam.
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WELL FUCK
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I JUST REALIZED THERE IS NO PROPER SECTION FOR IT
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In the forums
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We have to big thonk now
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news
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HeliosDrive 03/16/2021 3:07 PM
There's no "general discussion" section?
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There is.
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Either news, general discussion, or offtopic.
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The first two require ZDoom relation... but there kind of is?
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Yeah but the problem is... it's not very relevant compared to the common posts in them.
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In Doomworld there's Doom General and Source Ports for that.
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There are already some threads about Doom licensing in offtopic. (edited)
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Frax314
We have to big thonk now
Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/16/2021 3:55 PM
we could give it to verifiable members of the community so they can share it instead
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Idk how though
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/16/2021 4:22 PM
oh right because you left literally every single Doom server
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sigh I'm still in the HDest Discord
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I might be able to share it to them there
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/17/2021 2:49 AM
Any update on that warning post
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@Frax314 boi
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/17/2021 6:38 AM
uh
06:38
hello? the wARnINg POsT
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What about it
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/17/2021 6:53 AM
weren't we supposed to give it??
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Ah that one
06:54
Idk what the plan even is at this point
06:54
Literally sitting doing nothing out here
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/17/2021 7:41 AM
@Frax314 What happun to the warningthingimajig
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I don't know
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/17/2021 10:19 AM
b r u h
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Just post it to ZDF offtopic.
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Alright... gonna do.
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Worst case scenario, they dismiss you as a loony.
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But, there have been legal discussions already.
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With a bit of luck, the regulars will believe.
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Also, there are people who know (Marisa etc) and will likely be willing to clarify even more than the original post does.
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Done
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Expanded it, too.
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tell me if something is wrong btw
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The first screenshot link from my account is invalid. Only the second one works.
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shotfan
The first screenshot link from my account is invalid. Only the second one works.
Actually, it does.
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Copy+paste.
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Not sure why it is not treated as a link
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Maybe add blank space before it?
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Ill see to it
15:33
Happened to Fluffy's too
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The yellow highlight in that screenshot indicates that either me or Zero made the picture (it was Zero in this case). I do not give a shit. (edited)
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How about you, @YourpalZ3R0 ?
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I suppose that I know the answer already, but I am asking anyway. (edited)
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It's super obvious it's you anyhow lol
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YourpalZ3R0 03/17/2021 3:39 PM
I have been summoned.
15:39
Context?
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The yellow highlight in that screenshot indicates that either me or Zero made the picture (it was Zero in this case). I do not give a shit. (edited)
YourpalZ3R0 03/17/2021 3:40 PM
Which one?
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First one, in anonymous #2.
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YourpalZ3R0 03/17/2021 3:41 PM
That's not me, no.
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It is your screen background lol
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YourpalZ3R0 03/17/2021 3:41 PM
I mean first off, the discord text (where "today at X:XX" is at) is not English.
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What
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And the highlight indicates both me and you.
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are you not talking about this one
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The other one.
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YourpalZ3R0 03/17/2021 3:42 PM
Ohhh, the link is not embeded
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Goddamn it, fix your articles.
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YourpalZ3R0 03/17/2021 3:43 PM
yeah that's me obviously
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Fine for you?
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YourpalZ3R0 03/17/2021 3:43 PM
Hey, you can show the more specific shit I sent as well. No care.
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I don't have any stakes in the doom community anyways.
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aside from helping modders here and there, yeah I don't think helping in exposing a russian scam artist is a bad thing to have on my resume kek (edited)
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so feel free
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also that image quality is piss
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I did not send it that badly.
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Reprocessing maybe.
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You can provide the original one lol
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YourpalZ3R0 03/17/2021 3:45 PM
Wasn't that a public post?
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Let me check
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Here, big brain move
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So for neither of us to be involved, the ping marker is removed.
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I am no longer there you know
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YourpalZ3R0 03/17/2021 3:49 PM
This will leave it very ambigious, since the moderators they pick are extremely random so it could be anyone
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@Frax314 You can swap if you want, whatever
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YourpalZ3R0 03/17/2021 3:49 PM
Hey, just to clean our hands from anything.
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Alright
15:50
Fixin' time
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YourpalZ3R0 03/17/2021 3:50 PM
You want it to be anon, made it as anon as I could for ya.
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Updated
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Thanks.
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Now, we really did everything we could while preserving our sanity and morals
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It's up to this stupid ass community to choose now
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YourpalZ3R0 03/17/2021 3:55 PM
Let me tell ya, I'm not one to participate in community dramas that much; I usually watch shit go from the sidelines. However from what I've seen, my bet is that it will probably be ignored by most except for the people who really care about their PR like Doom Krakken etc. and generally those with morals.
15:56
Small creators and most community modders alike will prefer to stay on the sidelines and see what will come of Lister's sourceport. Fearing that if they joined against him (even if they know what he's doing is Immoral) he'd block their mods from his soureport, and they don't know if his sourceport is good or bad yet.
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As we saw with my friend Lothar here.
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And he doesn't even need a sourceport to operate his large scale mod.
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All in all, I still really appreciate the immense work you guys are putting in. It is very respectable especially in the doom modding community where its mostly filled by room temp' IQ ape brains.
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I'll try to help when I can as well.
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Kelvin Celsius or Fahrenheit
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WHEEZE
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YourpalZ3R0 03/17/2021 3:59 PM
NOOO
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NOT THE AMERICANS
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CELSIUS OBVIOUSLY
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Gigachad
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Kelvin people be like sciens™️
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YourpalZ3R0 03/17/2021 4:02 PM
POV: you're looking at a Kelvin user
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Lmfao
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Lmfao
17:01
They locked the forums
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Xdddddd
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Or they removed the thread (edited)
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@Frax314 check your link again pls
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Rachael said that it would just publicize Listeronum more.
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Well fuck.
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What the fuck man
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Doomworld is OK with that
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Sent a simple reply, all's over with it I guess...
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Also of course she used the 2016 election as an example because she's a fucking twittertard as usual
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she's a twit
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fuck it
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majority of the community is full of twits
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Doom community in a nutshell?
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I'd say it's like a herd of sheep attacked by violent goats and a few wolves
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Rachael said that it would just publicize Listeronum more.
Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/17/2021 6:16 PM
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When they're so scared they want to pretend nothing is going on, you know we are.
18:18
Their fault.
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HeliosDrive 03/17/2021 6:23 PM
To clarify, was this on the Zdoom forums or Doomworld?
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ZDF
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HeliosDrive 03/17/2021 6:25 PM
Right
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Haven't tried posting to Doomworld yet, or not as relevant?
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Doomkid already did
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HeliosDrive 03/17/2021 6:39 PM
Gud
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POGGERS
19:19
Apparently the ZDoom team contacted Bethesda about it
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Using our data as well
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This is nice I guess
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Post'll also get unlocked if a way to legally attack Lister is found
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I guess this seals it.
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fuck
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yes
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legal action time
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not yet ik
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and not even known if there will in fact be a way to legally attack him
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This group chat is (metaphorically?) over. We did absolutely everything now. Thank all of you for the support, help and time.
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ayo hold up
19:23
the info
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i got
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at least identifyable info
19:23
nothing private like passwords
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That never happened xD
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that happened
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Funny how this ended at the eve of TAG2's release. Keep on dooming, those who'll play it, sometimes the official can be better than the fanmade, hehe
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YourpalZ3R0 03/17/2021 7:32 PM
Raov you have a doxxing fetish my nigga?
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Chill.
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i just dont want my work to go unused
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YourpalZ3R0 03/17/2021 7:32 PM
we won't use any private information
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ill give it if needed for legal action
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YourpalZ3R0 03/17/2021 7:33 PM
are you sure we are large scale enough to help in legal action anyways (edited)
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might be
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Looking forward to the aftermath
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Even tho I couldn't do jack shit cuz army
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WHAT THE FUCK
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They censored your post?
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Oh wait
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Sorry I freaked out
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Ah so
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Closed post and ZDF staff relayed the info to Bethesda?
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Sounds... decent.
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if they did so in the first place
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I guess?
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But they removed the thread for sure
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Visiting the url results in "you are not authorized to view the forum"
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WHAT
20:12
Let me check it
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So
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WHAT THE FUCK
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This is not good.
20:14
The excuse they gave is bullshit.
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THIS FUCKING POST IS THE LITERAL ANTIPROMOTION OF LISTER (edited)
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This shit smells worse than a elephant dump.
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What is the proof they contacted Bethesda at all?
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They can say anything to make us fuck off.
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This is not decent at all.
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Welcome to ZDF
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I did not say they weren't dumbasses
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Anyway, as a reference you may get... put your glasses on, nothing will be wrong
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GRIFFITH (edited)
20:30
Seriously, I want to see proof of contacting Bethesda.
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shotfan
Seriously, I want to see proof of contacting Bethesda.
Somehow I feel it would not be fine asking... also, I believe she will not reply further.
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What would not be fine, huh?
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I do not trust her.
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You do not fucking bury public warnings like that.
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Agreed.
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But that be ZDF.
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Anyone else that we could warn that does not have head up their ass?
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No. It really is over.
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I do not think so.
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The re is only ModDB.
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But we have no way for it.
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You could nag Rachael... unless you do not want to speak to her at all - for that I would not blame you.
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What re?
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I meant there
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Also, Rachaek is just unquestionable. She is very self-righterous, I wouldn't want to piss her off any mote
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I gtg
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Because what, she bans you?
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That would just show her true colours.
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It would be wasted breath and frustration mote like.
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And if I expose her we're just helping Li$ter.
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She can stick her righteousness in the nether regions.
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What?
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How do we help him by exposing her?
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Frax314
This group chat is (metaphorically?) over. We did absolutely everything now. Thank all of you for the support, help and time.
Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/18/2021 3:01 AM
WAIT NO I WANNA SHOW MY ART FIRST BEFORE WE IMPLODE
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I did this Rampancy artpiece :D
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I drew a space pope
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup
I did this Rampancy artpiece :D
Did I spot the SWWM Demolitionist?
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/18/2021 9:40 AM
yes
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shotfan
How do we help him by exposing her?
Expose Rachel = GZDoom loses credibility = Listeronum gets a chance to strike
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also cool space pope bulalo
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/18/2021 12:41 PM
yay :D
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thanks
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Expose Rachel = GZDoom loses credibility = Listeronum gets a chance to strike
Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/18/2021 12:42 PM
doubt anyone but the more conservative Doomers would really care tbh
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup
doubt anyone but the more conservative Doomers would really care tbh
Still, I'd rather not upset everything more.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/18/2021 12:43 PM
yeah
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still better to not let any personal grudges jeopardize the plan
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That is farfetched conclusion to make.
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Just because one of Graf's associates behaves like an asshole does not mean their sourceport is ass as well.
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Especially since in the assholery contest, there can be only one winner...
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Alright, then let me elaborate.
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She has expressed this kind of "no such thing as bad publicity" always, everywhere (edited)
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And Graf likely agrees with her if he's kept her with him so long
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There is nothing we can do aganist that word of hers.
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She wants to fight that way, we'll let her, but she better be prepared for possible disadvantages.
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If you did not understand already, GZDoom is pretty much her whole life when it's on the line.
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I have not seen her behave the way you describe, but then again, I am heardly visiting ZDF nowadays.
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No I did not.
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Seems like Lothar's syndrome again.
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She is 24h on the forums and Discord
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She's as obsessed with Doom as Li$ter, just another way
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People investing too much of themselves into an unpaid project. (edited)
14:16
That changes the view on the situation, yes.
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If someone posts a meme in ZDF Discord's meme channel minimally referencing Trump she throws a fit and deletes it
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She might be behaving irrationally out of fear of her project becoming irrelevant.
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Yeah but
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That is politics
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EXACTLY.
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And she is a known LGBT advocate
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Different thing than sourceport development drama, right? (edited)
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Once she starts doing that kind of stuff with source ports, then you know she's really gone.
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No shit.
14:17
We are actually trying to HELP her.
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So let's leave her, if she wanna continue behave in this stupid way, she will. Good riddance if that fails, community was rotten from the start. Period.
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Is she that misguided?
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shotfan
Is she that misguided?
She's a twitter karen as I said, really unstable. Many on ZDF are like her
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Oh no Twitter regular
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y e p
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Well fuck that
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Now you get what type she is
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What are the other options left?
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What is the problem with Moddb?
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Because posting a random rant about Listeronum as an article there will do no good -- in fact, it's the one context where Rachael would be right, knowing ModDBlets.
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You mean, it would backfire into bolstering popularity for Listeronum?
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It's just not a part of the community possible to or even worth save.
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Well yeah, that site has other things than just Doom.
14:22
Alright then... the nuclear option. What about contacting Mircrosoft/Zenimax/Bethesda/id directly?
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Or even Romero, lol
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We're letting the big boys do it, if what Rachael said is true.
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I do not fucking trust her word.
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Our nuclear option is, post-release, contacting Romero. You know how much of a rock star he is.
14:23
Everybody's gonna follow him.
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Yeah, and actually active in the community.
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But post-release as I said.
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So we are awaiting Lister's move now?
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Pretty much.
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So keep an eye on Romero's Discord.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/18/2021 2:24 PM
haha
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Very well then.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/18/2021 2:24 PM
I will be your guy
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HERE WE GO
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lmao
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You will be the update guy now
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/18/2021 2:25 PM
not exactly
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because unless I start shit myself no one will talk about Listeronum
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I mean
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Lurk in the shadows
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Like an assassin a spy
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And watch over Lothar. Seriously.
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Starting shit can begin once Lister does his demented move.
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That is Zero's job.
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I am not talking to Lothar anymore.
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shotfan
That is Zero's job.
Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/18/2021 2:26 PM
yeah
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atm Lothar's just kinda vibing in Romero's Discord
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I had said everything I had for him. (edited)
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I am fairly positive Listeronum will hit not-this-month at this point however.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/18/2021 2:27 PM
honestly we shouldn't be the ones to judge his personal pipe dream of a Brutal Hexen TC What we should be the judges of is how much he's willing to shill this good for nothing Lister cunt
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Also if anything we did one truly relevant thing during this time: shatter Lister's ModDBlet dreams via Mark :V
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There must be at least a dozen different Brutal Hexen projects around lmao (edited)
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shotfan
There must be at least a dozen different Brutal Hexen projects around lmao (edited)
accurate
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/18/2021 2:28 PM
remember when I said I wanted no part in this
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change that
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Oh hi Mark
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Li$ter really liked Brutal Doom and Mark
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Does anyone know a person named petuno?
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Imagine being such an awful person that the Brazilian brutalist appears based
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So this is funny as shit
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/18/2021 2:29 PM
I will personally kick these Russian manchildren's shins in to humble them
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Fluffy
Does anyone know a person named petuno?
Nope
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oh ok
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Fluffy
Does anyone know a person named petuno?
Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/18/2021 2:29 PM
Perturabo? The petulant manchild?
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He uploaded lsd on tspg lol
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/18/2021 2:29 PM
uh
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Nobody has noticed yet
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/18/2021 2:29 PM
not sure how to react to that
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FUCKING DELETE IT
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That's how
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is that a WH40K reference
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EXTERMINATUS
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Man how many times has this happened lol
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shotfan
is that a WH40K reference
Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/18/2021 2:30 PM
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It's like the 999th time
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shotfan
Imagine being such an awful person that the Brazilian brutalist appears based
All of Mark's faults, in the end, were stupidity. Li$ter is ouright calculating evil
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as often as Ork Waaaaghs! happened
14:31
Yeah Mark actually became a little less retarded. A little (edited)
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So it is the lurking time again.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/18/2021 2:32 PM
yeah
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proceeds to ask John about the idea of a paid sourceport
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can you just no
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/18/2021 2:35 PM
nah it wasn't specific
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I just asked "what if paid sourceport haha"
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d o n t
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/18/2021 2:36 PM
I didn't name anyone
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don't worry it'll be fiiiiiine
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can you mute yourself just to be safe
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Lmao
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YourpalZ3R0 03/18/2021 2:40 PM
what is going on here
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shotfan
can you mute yourself just to be safe
Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/18/2021 2:42 PM
better yet I'll just say: "Я сообщил ваш домашний адрес и личные данные вашим местным полицейским из-за вашего несогласия с истинами Кремля и, следовательно, президента России. Прошу прощения, если это доставит вам неудобства в следующие дни"
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Zero
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You will be watching Lothar
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Do not try to refuse
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I have higher Speech skill than you
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YourpalZ3R0 03/18/2021 2:44 PM
Whoa whoa, you're sending me on a spy ops?
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Can't refuse? What is this, a fallout 4 quest?
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Just sit around in Schism and pretend you are fine with Lothar's mischief.
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup
better yet I'll just say: "Я сообщил ваш домашний адрес и личные данные вашим местным полицейским из-за вашего несогласия с истинами Кремля и, следовательно, президента России. Прошу прощения, если это доставит вам неудобства в следующие дни"
lmao
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Ah yeah
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What does that mean?
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Lulz
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shotfan
I have higher Speech skill than you
YourpalZ3R0 03/18/2021 2:46 PM
14:46
Care to update me real quick?
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Didn't we stop progress.
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We did, I clarified a few things
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"I have relayed your home address and identifying data to local authorities for disagreeing with Kremlin, and thus, Putin's truths and beliefs. I am sorry if this brings you any inconvenience for the next couple of days." (edited)
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Just keep an eye out, that's all
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Last I checked, Lister was not a friend of Putin...
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me neither tbh
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if you know what I mean
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Raov
me neither tbh
gets fucking raided
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shotfan
Last I checked, Lister was not a friend of Putin...
Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/18/2021 2:49 PM
oh fuck
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yes, the final solution
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~buy Raid Shadow Legends (edited)
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/18/2021 2:49 PM
we shall get him executed
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over the sourceport
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yes
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the ultimate plan
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yeah we can get him down under being against putin
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YourpalZ3R0 03/18/2021 2:49 PM
I don't think Putin will do anything to lister..
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fuckin hell yall geniuses
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YourpalZ3R0 03/18/2021 2:49 PM
UNLESS HE'S GAY
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Truly a foolproof plan
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YourpalZ3R0 03/18/2021 2:50 PM
So the master plan would be to get him out of the closet
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Lmfao
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Is he a furry too
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YourpalZ3R0 03/18/2021 2:51 PM
I mean he is a complete animal
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not sure if that applies for the term.
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shotfan
Is he a furry too
imagine a thicc ass 40 year old man coming out as a fucking furry
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MIDNIGHT ANIMAL
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the peak of cringe
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also known as "Welcome to Gulag"
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shotfan
MIDNIGHT ANIMAL
YourpalZ3R0 03/18/2021 2:51 PM
oh no don't remind me of that trainwreck
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Raov
imagine a thicc ass 40 year old man coming out as a fucking furry
YourpalZ3R0 03/18/2021 2:51 PM
Sonichu the second.
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soni- bruh i dont know anyone in the doom community
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YourpalZ3R0 03/18/2021 2:52 PM
What?
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Truly a summer child you are.
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what the fuck
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YourpalZ3R0 03/18/2021 2:52 PM
OH HAHAHAHAH
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HE DOESNT KNOW SONICHU
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HOLY SHIT
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yes i dont
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YourpalZ3R0 03/18/2021 2:52 PM
YOU ARE IN FOR A RIDE
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well god motherfuckin damn bring it on
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H E D O E S N T K N O W
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Frax314
H E D O E S N T K N O W
yes i dont know
14:53
i have been under a russian rock until 2018
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Im dyin don't If you value your sanity
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only then have i ventured into the depths that is the internet as a whole (edited)
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SUCH INNOCENT IGNORANCE
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okay this design is familiar
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Oh my god lmao a whole ass encyclopedia
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YourpalZ3R0 03/18/2021 2:54 PM
You haven't been under a rock, you've been next to the fucking earth's core.
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you can still turn back now
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choose
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What if
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YourpalZ3R0 03/18/2021 2:54 PM
your sanity or curiosity
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Raov is living on an asteroid?
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Then, he would be both over and under a rock at the same time.
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YourpalZ3R0 03/18/2021 2:55 PM
Considering his doxxing fetish, you would mean a Satellite.
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PICK BLUEPILL OR REDPILL
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We're taking so much piss rn there's more of that than water in our bodies
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bruh
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this is brazil
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it is only natural
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YourpalZ3R0
Considering his doxxing fetish, you would mean a Satellite.
oh you mf bet
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i got this shit catalogued (edited)
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This boy has the whole world in his hard disk
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more like a 3000km swath
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here ya go
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YourpalZ3R0 03/18/2021 2:59 PM
Raov after doxxing a starving ethiopian child "to keep it till it gets useful"
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sdfjklsdfjklfsdjklsdfjklsdf lmao
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lister can be compared to one tho (edited)
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/18/2021 5:18 PM
guys
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so the Ancient Gods Part Two DLC dropped
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NO
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DO NOT SPOIL
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but yes
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Am downloading it rn
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/20/2021 5:08 PM
so uh
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we only got 11 days left till Listeronum's supposed release date grace period is up
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Yea I think it's gonna be later
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kek
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/20/2021 5:34 PM
he killed him
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Murder
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This gives me hope for Grey Wolf then
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That was a pretty based comeback
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YourpalZ3R0 03/20/2021 5:59 PM
Hope?
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Wolf was never on anyone's side.
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I would know since he's an absolute bro of mine. (edited)
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Besides, he banned Lister before.
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The only reason Lister is back on the server is because of his constant bitching to wolf.
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So he just warned him and gave him a chance.
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@Frax314 well then, I just told him about this group and he wants in
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YourpalZ3R0
Wolf was never on anyone's side.
Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/20/2021 6:04 PM
Wolf Doom centrist conf1rmed
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YourpalZ3R0 03/20/2021 6:04 PM
That was quick.
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YourpalZ3R0
@Frax314 well then, I just told him about this group and he wants in
w h y t h o
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I gotta do some stuff, brb, I'd rather you brief to him what we did
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/20/2021 6:07 PM
but someone's gotta leave then
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Dont anybody move in or out till im back D:<
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup 03/20/2021 6:08 PM
...
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I'll go
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but only cus I can use this setup
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bye
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Bruhh i just said-
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Oh whatever lol
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@YourpalZ3R0 let Grey Wolf in
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Good evening
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Evening
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So... what's the aftermath? Unknown?
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Even I don't understand it tbh
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We got some traction
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But nothing really groundbreaking other than doomkids post
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YourpalZ3R0 03/20/2021 7:44 PM
I'm a bit busy at the moment so let him check around.
YourpalZ3R0 added Grey_Wolf to the group. 03/20/2021 7:45 PM
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wait wtf
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why did someone else leave for me
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now I feel guilty
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YourpalZ3R0 03/20/2021 7:47 PM
LIFE IS BASED ON THE DEATH OF OTHERS
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Grey_Wolf
why did someone else leave for me
Because fucking Discord has a ten people group chat restriction
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Sinigang the Philippine Soup
we only got 11 days left till Listeronum's supposed release date grace period is up
It's the Miura situation all over again
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I'll make a server when I have time
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Grey_Wolf
It's the Miura situation all over again
I like you already lmao :D
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YourpalZ3R0 03/20/2021 7:49 PM
Not sure why you haven't already.
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Its easy business.
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Grey_Wolf
It's the Miura situation all over again
YourpalZ3R0 03/20/2021 7:49 PM
kek
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But im lazy as fuck
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Brb
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YourpalZ3R0
LIFE IS BASED ON THE DEATH OF OTHERS
life is based
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YourpalZ3R0 03/20/2021 8:02 PM
That's the spirit broski.
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Ohhhh
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Good day everyone.
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Good day Wolf.
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I suppose that Zero informed you of the situation?
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isn't that a pretty old situation though
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the whole schism thing and Lister's bullshit
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unless you're talking about something else
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Still ongoing.
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yeah figures
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btw
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he just can't help it
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Yeah?
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Just read that.
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So yeah, we need to keep him on short leash.
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what a sad uninteresting life he's living
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I mean
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He is a Russian scammer
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So
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Anyways, he probably already probed our server with watchbots.
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His group does raids on anyone that offend them.
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And he knows me and Zero from the Schism server.
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shotfan
He is a Russian scammer
maybe we should out-scam him then?
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how
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So if we ban him, we can expect retaliation.
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somehow
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penis enlargement pills?
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he would probably buy
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Glad to see you there, hehe
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Just a little BTW.
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nah make a investment platform that gives insane payouts but at one point go scam
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So yeah
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hes fuckin addicted to gambling (edited)
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Currently, we are awaiting the release of Listeronum or whatever the fuck it is called.
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ye youre right
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Grey_Wolf
penis enlargement pills?
YourpalZ3R0 03/20/2021 9:20 PM
Nah, Lister is the type of fella to buy Penis shrinking pills so he can tell people that his dick was too big for work.
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We tried to reach out to ZDF and warn them, but Rachael is a colossal twat.
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and since we're kinda meming now
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imma bring this up
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YourpalZ3R0 03/20/2021 9:21 PM
Shameless self-shilling huh, my style.
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Only Doomkid from Doomworld elected to make the topic related to Lister's dealings.
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So yeah, now we are waiting what Lister does, and then it is nagging Romero time.
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Also
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Why Bulalo left?
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made space for wolf
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we should make a server already
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But we need a Romero's Games insider?
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I still have him in my PMs ofc
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And he'll update us
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Lemme make the server now. DON'T leave this group chat as we still have the important messages and pins
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Obligatory @everyone :V
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